Phil Brown on 5 Live Sports Extra Tonight

[SS3]

No one, absolutely no one has come up with any reasonable, rational or competent enough reason as to why Phil Brown should not be conducting Media work in his spare time, 24 hours leading up to a Match Day.

JamMan is right! - You cant expect the man to work 16 hours a day There is only so much preparation he can do before the game. 90% of this work is done with the Playing Staff the other 10% with the other Management Staff - Which all finish their jobs much earlier than 21:00.

Why don't Mrsblue and SouthendPier both accept that they have unrealistic expectations and no real understanding of what the full duties of a Football Manager actually are, then rethink their position? I know you have your opinions, but when your opinions are being forced using unfounded, inaccurate, poorly referenced arguments it really is frightfully tedious and somewhat aggravating.

The sooner you realise this the better.

 

[mrsblue]

Jesus, give it a rest. NONE of our managers have dedicated anywhere near as much time to running the team as you're suggesting they should! End of![/


Give what a rest?,

The question was asked and I gave my view..End of.

 

[mrsblue]

No one, absolutely no one has come up with any reasonable, rational or competent enough reason as to why Phil Brown should not be conducting Media work in his spare time, 24 hours leading up to a Match Day.

JamMan is right! - You cant expect the man to work 16 hours a day There is only so much preparation he can do before the game. 90% of this work is done with the Playing Staff the other 10% with the other Management Staff - Which all finish their jobs much earlier than 21:00.

Why don't Mrsblue and SouthendPier both accept that they have unrealistic expectations and no real understanding of what the full duties of a Football Manager actually are, then rethink their position? I know you have your opinions, but when your opinions are being forced using unfounded, inaccurate, poorly referenced arguments it really is frightfully tedious and somewhat aggravating.

The sooner you realise this the better.

Explain his 16 hour day then?

 

[mrsblue]

No one, absolutely no one has come up with any reasonable, rational or competent enough reason as to why Phil Brown should not be conducting Media work in his spare time, 24 hours leading up to a Match Day.

JamMan is right! - You cant expect the man to work 16 hours a day There is only so much preparation he can do before the game. 90% of this work is done with the Playing Staff the other 10% with the other Management Staff - Which all finish their jobs much earlier than 21:00.

Why don't Mrsblue and SouthendPier both accept that they have unrealistic expectations and no real understanding of what the full duties of a Football Manager actually are, then rethink their position? I know you have your opinions, but when your opinions are being forced using unfounded, inaccurate, poorly referenced arguments it really is frightfully tedious and somewhat aggravating.

The sooner you realise this the better.

If Phil does media work that's his business and if the club don't mind that's their business,However the question was raised and I gave my view which quite simply is if this club are doing well its all good,The club is not doing well ATM .

My expectations will not alter anything,I don't use poorly referenced arguments as its just my opinion,If you find my opinion tedious and aggravating I suggest don't read my posts.

 

[Jam_Man]

Explain his 16 hour day then?

24 hours - 8 hours sleep = 16 hours.

You are expecting him to be working on SUFC every minute of the day if he cant do his own thing in the evening.

If he had gone fishing or to the cinema or to a pottery class no one would care, but because he its media work people have an issue.

Trust me if I thought there were things he should be doing that would actually have benefit Id be criticising him plenty, but I just dont get why people care.

Guess what, he probably didnt spend his entire evening last night working either.

 

[mrsblue]

24 hours - 8 hours sleep = 16 hours.

You are expecting him to be working on SUFC every minute of the day if he cant do his own thing in the evening.

If he had gone fishing or to the cinema or to a pottery class no one would care, but because he its media work people have an issue.

Trust me if I thought there were things he should be doing that would actually have benefit Id be criticising him plenty, but I just dont get why people care.

Guess what, he probably didnt spend his entire evening last night working either.

If another job comes along Phil will be off faster than a speeding bullet IMO ,Would imagine club chairman are discounting him because his record is far from clever whilst his media work could be another drawback for club owners not to hire him?

You stated we cannot expect him to work a 16 hour day,Nobody does yet what would his daily tasks amount to?,Us mere mortals work in a proper job 9 till 5 and still watch games or play in the evening.

His reference to Di Canio sacking was either tongue in cheek or plain stupid.

I don't care if he becomes a porn star whilst working here,That's his business,But you keep on stating why don't he sign another player yet you condone his other job.

 

[SS3]

Explain his 16 hour day then?

07:00 - Wake Up
07:15 - Breakfast
07:30 - Shower
07:55 - Put Clothes On
08:10 - Drive to Training Ground
08:40 - Prepare Training routine with Training Staff
09:10 - Discuss injuries with Ben
10:00 - View/conduct Training ground drills
12:00 - Break for Lunch
13:00 - Discuss Training with staff, including areas to work on for Tomorrow
14:00 - Meet with Executive team to Discuss potential Transfer Targets & other general management concerns
16:00 - Discussion with Scouts regarding upcoming opposition.
17:00 - Drive Home
17:30 - Arrive back at The Roslin Hotel - Take a shower
17:55 - Have Dinner
18:55 - Go Back to hotel room, prepare for media duties
19:30 - Leave and Drive to Media Duties
20:00 - Arrive at Radio/TV studio - for pre show discussion
21:00 - Live Broadcast
22:00 - Broadcast Ends - Post Broadcast Review
22:30 - Drive Home
23:30 - Sleep.

Please note some days will differ depending on the evening tasks, such as Attending Tanning Salon, Talking to/visiting Children, Meeting with other managers/scouts/agents....

 

[Jam_Man]

If another job comes along Phil will be off faster than a speeding bullet IMO ,Would imagine club chairman are discounting him because his record is far from clever whilst his media work could be another drawback for club owners not to hire him?

Yes he may be off, and thats a reason to criticise him, that has nothing to do with him doing the media work, and if that work is a hinderance to getting a new job thats down to him.

You stated we cannot expect him to work a 16 hour day,Nobody does yet what would his daily tasks amount to?,Us mere mortals work in a proper job 9 till 5 and still watch games or play in the evening.

His daily tasks will no doubt be training till lunch then sorting out all the other work that you expect him to be doing in the evening.

His reference to Di Canio sacking was either tongue in cheek or plain stupid.

Stupid without a doubt.

I don't care if he becomes a porn star whilst working here,That's his business,But you keep on stating why don't he sign another player yet you condone his other job.

Because him doing that in an evening has no bearing on him signing players.Its not like he hasnt signed anyone because he is too busy !

I will criticise BRown for performances and recent form, but Im not daft enought to think if he didnt do the game on Wednesday that would mean we would play better or Ben Coker wouldnt head the ball into the box or get sent off.

Some people (not many by the look of it) are just using this media work as something to hit him over the head with when it really has no bearing and there are more valid reasons to beat him up if they want.

The funny thing is that SouthendPier criticises Brown for media work, yet when we lose games pretty much lets Brown off the hook and blames Ron Martin and embargoes...

 

[SS3]

If another job comes along Phil will be off faster than a speeding bullet IMO ,Would imagine club chairman are discounting him because his record is far from clever whilst his media work could be another drawback for club owners not to hire him?

You stated we cannot expect him to work a 16 hour day,Nobody does yet what would his daily tasks amount to?,Us mere mortals work in a proper job 9 till 5 and still watch games or play in the evening.

His reference to Di Canio sacking was either tongue in cheek or plain stupid.

I don't care if he becomes a porn star whilst working here,That's his business,But you keep on stating why don't he sign another player yet you condone his other job.

Exactly my point, don't criticize his media duties if you don't actually know what work he does during his core hours - How is being a football manager not a proper job??

Where have I stated about him not singing players?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Harry Redknapp managed to get Spurs into the semis of the champions league whilst starring in Wii adverts, doing punditry work, conducting interviews outside the training ground and counting his stack of used 20s.

Just saying.

Didn't the jury decide it was his dog's stack of used 20s?

No one, absolutely no one has come up with any reasonable, rational or competent enough reason as to why Phil Brown should not be conducting Media work in his spare time, 24 hours leading up to a Match Day.

JamMan is right! - You cant expect the man to work 16 hours a day There is only so much preparation he can do before the game. 90% of this work is done with the Playing Staff the other 10% with the other Management Staff - Which all finish their jobs much earlier than 21:00.

Why don't Mrsblue and SouthendPier both accept that they have unrealistic expectations and no real understanding of what the full duties of a Football Manager actually are, then rethink their position? I know you have your opinions, but when your opinions are being forced using unfounded, inaccurate, poorly referenced arguments it really is frightfully tedious and somewhat aggravating.

The sooner you realise this the better.

It's a fairly standard term in professional employment contracts than the employee can't undertake outside employment without consent.

No-one expects him to work 16 hours a day, which is why people are concerned that he is taking on additional work, pushing him towards this sort of working day.

Being a pundit isn't just 90 minutes. It requires (or it should at least require) proper preparation. There is also travel time, an not insignificant factor considering the game took place in West Brom, which must be a 6 hour return trip from Southend. This game went to extra time and penalties, presumably there was some sort of pre-match build up that required Brown to talk up the game. Being a manager is a fairly full on job - that's why Brown needed to hire another assistant manager to help him out.

The game has absolutely no benefit to Southend United. We aren't going to sign anybody on the fringes of the Arsenal or West Brom teams. We might be able to sign someone from the Woking V Luton or Welling v Aldershot games that took place that evening. If our manager has so much spare time maybe we could save on employing a chief scout if our manager went to check out those games instead?

Finally there is the impression that it gives out. It hardly suggests commitment and dedication to the club (something which has been questioned) if every time a player turns on the radio there is Phil Brown talking about another club. His pre-match talk will no doubt include cliches about giving his all for the club, but the manager isn't leading by example on this front. He isn't giving his all when he's seen or heard giving so much time to TalkSport, BBC Radio Five Live, Sky Sports etc. Failing to give up his extra paid jobs doesn't suggest permanency, it just adds to the impression that he is just passing through. This undermines a manager's position if players don't think he's fully committed, don't think he is here for the long term.

I'm not something that I'm going to get worked up about, but it's yet another negative to add to the Brown slate.

 

[mrsblue]

Exactly my point, don't criticize his media duties if you don't actually know what work he does during his core hours - How is being a football manager not a proper job??

Where have I stated about him not singing players?

Singing players,..It's football.
If you bothered to actually read my post,I quoted Jam,Not you.

 

[mrsblue]

Didn't the jury decide it was his dog's stack of used 20s?



It's a fairly standard term in professional employment contracts than the employee can't undertake outside employment without consent.

No-one expects him to work 16 hours a day, which is why people are concerned that he is taking on additional work, pushing him towards this sort of working day.

Being a pundit isn't just 90 minutes. It requires (or it should at least require) proper preparation. There is also travel time, an not insignificant factor considering the game took place in West Brom, which must be a 6 hour return trip from Southend. This game went to extra time and penalties, presumably there was some sort of pre-match build up that required Brown to talk up the game. Being a manager is a fairly full on job - that's why Brown needed to hire another assistant manager to help him out.

The game has absolutely no benefit to Southend United. We aren't going to sign anybody on the fringes of the Arsenal or West Brom teams. We might be able to sign someone from the Woking V Luton or Welling v Aldershot games that took place that evening. If our manager has so much spare time maybe we could save on employing a chief scout if our manager went to check out those games instead?

Finally there is the impression that it gives out. It hardly suggests commitment and dedication to the club (something which has been questioned) if every time a player turns on the radio there is Phil Brown talking about another club. His pre-match talk will no doubt include cliches about giving his all for the club, but the manager isn't leading by example on this front. He isn't giving his all when he's seen or heard giving so much time to TalkSport, BBC Radio Five Live, Sky Sports etc. Failing to give up his extra paid jobs doesn't suggest permanency, it just adds to the impression that he is just passing through. This undermines a manager's position if players don't think he's fully committed, don't think he is here for the long term.

I'm not something that I'm going to get worked up about, but it's yet another negative to add to the Brown slate.

Wonderful reply YB.

 

[Jam_Man]

It certainly doesnt give the impressions of permanency, but did anyone really think Brown was in it for the long haul, and would stopping him do media work mean he would suddenly stay here for longer.

Brown is what he is, he will hopefully do well here and as soon as he gets a chance to move up he will do. Thats the package you get and as long as it isnt having an actual effect on us I couldnt care less.

As Ive said before it has come to light that Sturrock spent little time in training and was leaving Coughlan to do so much he was overwhelmed. Compare that to Brown spending an evening doing media work and I know which is the more alarming.

 

[mrsblue]

It certainly doesnt give the impressions of permanency, but did anyone really think Brown was in it for the long haul, and would stopping him do media work mean he would suddenly stay here for longer.

Brown is what he is, he will hopefully do well here and as soon as he gets a chance to move up he will do. Thats the package you get and as long as it isnt having an actual effect on us I couldnt care less.

As Ive said before it has come to light that Sturrock spent little time in training and was leaving Coughlan to do so much he was overwhelmed. Compare that to Brown spending an evening doing media work and I know which is the more alarming.

Sturrock had win ratio of over 40% whilst Phil has 24%.

 

[Jam_Man]

Sturrock had win ratio of over 40% whilst Phil has 24%.

So to clarify you have no issue with media work or spending less time at training if we are winning games?

 

[mrsblue]

So to clarify you have no issue with media work if we are winning games?

Which is what I said post 75 on this thread.

 

[Jam_Man]

Which is what I said post 75 on this thread.

But as Sturrock had a better ratio when putting less hours in how will that lead to an improvement?

What practical and tangible things could actually be done to turn close defeats into wins on a wednesday night?

Whilst it was a great post from YB Im sorry but going to watch Welling play aint going to turn those results from losses to wins.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

But as Sturrock had a better ratio when putting less hours in how will that lead to an improvement?

What practical and tangible things could actually be done to turn close defeats into wins on a wednesday night?

Whilst it was a great post from YB Im sorry but going to watch Welling play aint going to turn those results from losses to wins.

Drafting a resignation letter?

*runs away*

 

[Jam_Man]

Drafting a resignation letter?

*runs away*

Haha, Id green you for that if I could...

 

[RHB]

There was a time when I looked in on, but didn't post, on SZ. For some strange reason this thread has just reminded me why!