Phil Brown on 5 Live Sports Extra Tonight

[lobalong]

Yes I caught the Di Canio bit as well ... did have a laugh nice to see Issac Hayden play for Arsenal and that our former on loan keeper Luke Daniels perform well for the Baggies

 

[superblue24]

He hasn't had a clue so far this season. What makes you think he has now?

Yet somehow his not having a clue has him just 3 points behind sturrocks effort last season after the same amount of games and would catch up with a win tomorrow.

 

[Southend Pier]

Absurd.

As we now know Paul Sturrock used to spend very little time on the training pitch with the team.

How much time does Brown really need to spend wracking his brains out? Does he really need 16 hours a day to make a decision?



Get on with what? The players only train till lunchtime, what should he be doing at that time ?



Oh dear, if he did say that then that is absolutely hilarious.

Why absurd? I think it is best so close to a game that he begins to to switch his complete focus to towards it. If we lose the next couple people will say is his heart in it when he is doing all the media stuff. Not being sarcastic but are you management in your workplace? or studied the art to man management? I'am and my old man was involved in a high level of [Pro football and many contacts have agreed with what I have said.

 

[danburyshrimper]

i'd argue the fact that he is mixing with other football managers + spending his evening watching up and coming premier stars can only be a good thing for our club. Who knows , he may have been so impressed with a player we might end up signing him.
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Would you rather he went down the Ronnie Whelan route + take a couple of our players down the boozer most nights and drink 10 pints of Guinesss ?

:nope:

 

[Southend Pier]

i'd argue the fact that he is mixing with other football managers + spending his evening watching up and coming premier stars can only be a good thing for our club. Who knows , he may have been so impressed with a player we might end up signing him.
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Would you rather he went down the Ronnie Whelan route + take a couple of our players down the boozer most nights and drink 10 pints of Guinesss ?

:nope:

No not at all. He has scouts who can assist him in that. What Is Bob Shaw's role? To be fair if he was purely scouting on a player then ok. But chances are he probably isn't and as said last night if it were earlier in the week then fine but so close to what is now for us a bigger than usual League game I think his thoughts in the most part should be focused on what we do. And I still think if we lose tomorrow and the next one there will be those who'll say one eye was of the ball because of his media work.

 

[shrimperton]

Blimey, this place is such a moan zone, so what he's on radio at 9pm at night, what should he be doing, training the lads in the dark?? If it weren't for players doing stupid schoolboy errors recently we wouldn't even be entertaining this crap...... All those Brown haters, the same people im guessing who got on Mark Gowers back from the first minute, your an embarrassment to the club and yourselves, we are Southend United with very limited resources & a chairman whos away with the fairies who seems to owe everyone money, what are you expecting??? Mid table will be a good finish this season imo & then struggle on again the season after that, any joy we get is a bonus! WE HAVE AVERAGE LEAGUE 2 PLAYERS AT BEST, get that into your tiny little keyboard moaning heads!!

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

Can't see a problem with it. I've tried to find fault but can't.

And remember a change is as good as a rest.

 

[Southend Pier]

Blimey, this place is such a moan zone, so what he's on radio at 9pm at night, what should he be doing, training the lads in the dark?? If it weren't for players doing stupid schoolboy errors recently we wouldn't even be entertaining this crap...... All those Brown haters, the same people im guessing who got on Mark Gowers back from the first minute, your an embarrassment to the club and yourselves, we are Southend United with very limited resources & a chairman whos away with the fairies who seems to owe everyone money, what are you expecting??? Mid table will be a good finish this season imo & then struggle on again the season after that, any joy we get is a bonus! WE HAVE AVERAGE LEAGUE 2 PLAYERS AT BEST, get that into your tiny little keyboard moaning heads!!

No I don't Hate Phil Brown. I'm slightly sceptical that he is the right man for the job. Training them after dark? Course not and I've explained my reasonings in other posts. Moaning? No. Just putting across what I believe to be correct after also considering my recent studies on the subject of management.

 

[shrimperton]

No I don't Hate Phil Brown. I'm slightly sceptical that he is the right man for the job. Training them after dark? Course not and I've explained my reasonings in other posts. Moaning? No. Just putting across what I believe to be correct after also considering my recent studies on the subject of management.

The above post is not aimed at people with opinionated views, it aimed at those who come on here expecting us to be at the top of league 2 & expect any manager with have to have a 100% win record cos we are the biggest club in Essex!! :stunned:

 

[Southend Pier]

The above post is not aimed at people with opinionated views, it aimed at those who come on here expecting us to be at the top of league 2 & expect any manager with have to have a 100% win record cos we are the biggest club in Essex!! :stunned:

Ok My apologies. I have said in a round about way what you have commented here but of course then theres criticism that I can't be a true blue when saying so. This is why i'm not quick to shovel all blame onto brown for the current woes in terms of results. like a couple of managers before him he is not backed properly by those above him/them and because of the lousy conditions. yes some criticism he has to take but by far not. take it in full.

 

[Jam_Man]

Why absurd? I think it is best so close to a game that he begins to to switch his complete focus to towards it. If we lose the next couple people will say is his heart in it when he is doing all the media stuff. Not being sarcastic but are you management in your workplace? or studied the art to man management? I'am and my old man was involved in a high level of [Pro football and many contacts have agreed with what I have said.

Its absurd if you expect a manager to have to be working 16 hours a day. The team only train till lunchtime, whats he meant to be doing for the other 10 hours until he goes to bed? Brown already spends more time with the players than Sturrock used to.

I have indeed been in management and studied management qualifications for several years, and I went home at 5pm and watched the telly. Whats your point?

 

[danburyshrimper]

I think we need to knock the massive over reaction on the head now ....

We have been the best team in all but 1 of our matches this season. With a bit more luck in front of goal we'd be at the top of this league. We have half a new team that obviously will take time to gel. Think how much stick Wenger got after just 1 match this season and look at them now. Show me a manager anywhere that hasnt had a bad run of results. The key to it all is that we as fans pull together in the right direction + cheer the whole team onto victory at the next match. Win that and then cheer us onto victory in the next one. Simples. We've all got our opinion on who should play and in what position. theres no right and theres no wrong, its just an opinion.

I for one am gagging for Friday night and whatever 11 start at 7.45pm i'll be cheering my head off encouraging and helping them to the 3 points.

UTB :loyalsupporter:

 

[Jam_Man]

Its not a massive overreaction, we have 1 point out of 5 games. Performances havent been terrible though so there are positives but we need a quick turn around in form.

That said, to criticise him for doing some media work in the evening is indeed taking it too far. We will be asking how long he takes to eat his dinner next.

 

[Southend Pier]

Its absurd if you expect a manager to have to be working 16 hours a day. The team only train till lunchtime, whats he meant to be doing for the other 10 hours until he goes to bed? Brown already spends more time with the players than Sturrock used to.

I have indeed been in management and studied management qualifications for several years, and I went home at 5pm and watched the telly. Whats your point?

Why are you insistent on saying he needs to spend all the hours god sent on the players? I'm not saying that. He has his life and so do the players. I'll say again My personal opnion is either the night or 2 nights before a game he should be dedicated mostly to his own team. His media work and scouting can be done earlier in the week. But its not purely scouting its another commitment to the media. Like you wouldn't expect players to be out and about in whatever capacity 1 or 2 evenings before a game. If they do there shot basically. Use the remaining hours to makes sure his plans are right and allow for a little fine-tuning here and there, He can't be doing this in abundance if hes gallivanting onto talksport so close before we play. The additional point I would say is you seem to pick holes in every opnion I make. I respect your views and honestly agree with most of what you say and say so as well. No one like being challenged if they regard it unfair but do I disagree with others for the sake of it. NO. and for the record I hardly ever complain either despite the abuse on my rep page being unpleasantly ott at times. As Danbury has alluded too why can't we agree to disagree amicably because at the end of the day we want a winning Southend team.

 

[londonblue]

Why absurd? I think it is best so close to a game that he begins to to switch his complete focus to towards it. If we lose the next couple people will say is his heart in it when he is doing all the media stuff. Not being sarcastic but are you management in your workplace? or studied the art to man management? I'am and my old man was involved in a high level of [Pro football and many contacts have agreed with what I have said.

So presumably you also work late into the evenings? Maybe you should learn to work smart, not hard.

I too used to manage a team that was under more pressure than a football team, and I can tell you I went home in the evening and put the telly on, or listened to music. What a slacker I am, and I bow down to your obviously superior knowledge because you've studied management, and your old man is in football!

My old man is a lawyer, that doesn't make me any good at law.

Question for you, if PB would have been at home with his feet up no-one would be any the wiser, so would that be OK, or is your issue just that he happened to be out at a footy match, and was getting paid to talk about it?

 

[Jam_Man]

Why are you insistent on saying he needs to spend all the hours god sent on the players? I'm not saying that. He has his life and so do the players. I'll say again My personal opnion is either the night or 2 nights before a game he should be dedicated mostly to his own team.. His media work and scouting can be done earlier in the week. But its not purely scouting its another commitment to the media Like you wouldn't expect players to be out and about in whatever capacity 1 or 2 evenings before a game. If they do there shot basically. Use the remaining hours to makes sure his plans are right and allow for a little fine-tuning here and there, He can't be doing this in abundance if hes gallivanting onto talksport so close before we play. The additional point I would say is you seem to pick holes in every opnion I make. I respect your views and honestly agree with most of what you say and say so as well. No one like being challenged if they regard it unfair but do I disagree with others for the sake of it. NO. and for the record I hardly ever complain either despite the abuse on my rep page being unpleasantly ott at times. As Danbury has alluded too why can't we agree to disagree amicably because at the end of the day we want a winning Southend team.

Doing what?

What is so important 3 days before a game that he cant afford a couple of hours elsewhere?

As for disagreeing amicably, I am discussing a point you have made on a public discussion forum. If you make statements then be prepared to answer questions relating to them, thats kind of the point of a discussion.

You have criticised someone's commitment to their job on a public website and seem unable to justify it.

 

[Southend Pier]

So presumably you also work late into the evenings? Maybe you should learn to work smart, not hard.

I too used to manage a team that was under more pressure than a football team, and I can tell you I went home in the evening and put the telly on, or listened to music. What a slacker I am, and I bow down to your obviously superior knowledge because you've studied management, and so has your old man!

My old man is a lawyer, that doesn't make me any good at law.

no i'm not saying that at all. management courses advises you stay committed vastly to your people/team. and I think a day or 2 before a match most thoughts should be centered around that but not necassaerily spend all time with the others. No IDon't think people who try or work are slackers . I like to think I get on with people in all walks of life and what they do, how they speak, has no bearing on how I judge them. if the consensus is both parties are ok with 1 another then that's enough for me.

 

[Southend Pier]

Its not a massive overreaction, we have 1 point out of 5 games. Performances havent been terrible though so there are positives but we need a quick turn around in form.

That said, to criticise him for doing some media work in the evening is indeed taking it too far. We will be asking how long he takes to eat his dinner next.

I'm not questioning him interms of turning up, picking the team etc. I think the planning and the fine tuning of his plans should be given thorough attention in that 48 hour period before a match. It is respecting your club with professionalism. If I was in a media studio I wouldn't be giving full attention to my duties at my club in the last remaining hours. earlier in the week fine as you'll have time to do other things but in the last day or 2 to me its about your club at all times.

 

[Jam_Man]

no i'm not saying that at all. management courses advises you stay committed vastly to your people/team. and I think a day or 2 before a match most thoughts should be centered around that but not necassaerily spend all time with the others. No IDon't think people who try or work are slackers . I like to think I get on with people in all walks of life and what they do, how they speak, has no bearing on how I judge them. if the consensus is both parties are ok with 1 another then that's enough for me.

I went on management courses for around 5 years.

I never remember anyone ever telling me I couldnt have the evenings off. I do remember however being told that a successful manager should be building a team to spread the work load so that you dont end up doing everything yourself and working long hours for no reason....

I'm not questioning him interms of turning up, picking the team etc. I think the planning and the fine tuning of his plans should be given thorough attention in that 48 hour period before a match. It is respecting your club with professionalism. If I was in a media studio I wouldn't be giving full attention to my duties at my club in the last remaining hours. earlier in the week fine as you'll have time to do other things but in the last day or 2 to me its about your club at all times.

Im not really sure what fine tuning you actually think is to be done at 8pm on a Wednesday evening that cant be done on the two days following that he still has.

Most of the work is done with the players, I really cant think of one thing that he would need to do in the evening that he would be neglecting.

Do you really think the Bristol Rovers manager was actually working on football last night or was he just at home having his dinner and watching the telly ?

 

[Southend Pier]

Im not really sure what fine tuning you actually think is to be done at 8pm on a Wednesday evening that cant be done on the two days following that he still has.

Most of the work is done with the players, I really cant think of one thing that he would need to do in the evening that he would be neglecting.

Do you really think the Bristol Rovers manager was actually working on football last night or was he just at home having his dinner and watching the telly ?

i'd say most managers would be at home mostly with a massive emphasis on their team's match. Man utd played Liverpool in a League cup tie last night but would moyes have been in a studio a day or 2 beforehand? Don't think so. but think you'd agree we are not going to see eye to eye on this. better to draw a line I think.