Phil Brown on 5 Live Sports Extra Tonight

[SS3]

It's a fairly standard term in professional employment contracts than the employee can't undertake outside employment without consent.

It certainly is not in my contract I have just checked -But maybe it is a standard term depending on the nature of the business you are employed in.

No-one expects him to work 16 hours a day, which is why people are concerned that he is taking on additional work, pushing him towards this sort of working day.

Correct, however the debate was regarding his media work leading up to a match. And the feeling of some that instead of doing media work 48 hours before the game he should be fully focusing on the up and coming match, leading to the notion that his work as a football manager should occupy his time outside of his core hours. I think the quotation of 16 hours was in respect to what some posters felt that other posted expected BP to work, and the basis of this probably came from the fact that the broadcast in discussion aired until past 22:00.

Being a pundit isn't just 90 minutes. It requires (or it should at least require) proper preparation. There is also travel time, an not insignificant factor considering the game took place in West Brom, which must be a 6 hour return trip from Southend. This game went to extra time and penalties, presumably there was some sort of pre-match build up that required Brown to talk up the game. Being a manager is a fairly full on job - that's why Brown needed to hire another assistant manager to help him out.

I agree punditry is not just a 90 minute task, and will require the correct preparation. I know that the Radio 5 Studios are based in Salford Manchester. However, was Brown actually at the game, is it possible that he could have been at a proxy Studio maybe in London? just a thought.

The game has absolutely no benefit to Southend United. We aren't going to sign anybody on the fringes of the Arsenal or West Brom teams. We might be able to sign someone from the Woking V Luton or Welling v Aldershot games that took place that evening. If our manager has so much spare time maybe we could save on employing a chief scout if our manager went to check out those games instead?

Perhaps, but there is an argument that Phil brown may be able to raise his profile, allowing him to attract a better standard of player (when he has the ability to sing someone) in turn also increasing the national awareness and profile of Southend United.

Finally there is the impression that it gives out. It hardly suggests commitment and dedication to the club (something which has been questioned) if every time a player turns on the radio there is Phil Brown talking about another club. His pre-match talk will no doubt include clichés about giving his all for the club, but the manager isn't leading by example on this front. He isn't giving his all when he's seen or heard giving so much time to TalkSport, BBC Radio Five Live, Sky Sports etc. Failing to give up his extra paid jobs doesn't suggest permanency, it just adds to the impression that he is just passing through. This undermines a manager's position if players don't think he's fully committed, don't think he is here for the long term.

I'm not something that I'm going to get worked up about, but it's yet another negative to add to the Brown slate.

Maybe this is the interpretation you have, not necessarily that of others. All football managers have to do media work its part of the job. Some (mainly Premier League managers which I know Phil is not) do more than others. Phil Brown had media commitments before he joined the club these have continued, I'm sure that it was one of the clauses he made when signing that this could continue. If for example, Southend go on a long run of unbeaten matches, Phil Brown continues to do his media work he will discuss the current form of the team and increase the attention the club receives, this will likely lead to more interview and possible televised matches which all bring the club money. So there is a positive to be found in his media work, the team just need to get the results and then I'm sure Phil will use it to the clubs advantage.

 

[daveydiamond]

If Phil does media work that's his business and if the club don't mind that's their business,However the question was raised and I gave my view which quite simply is if this club are doing well its all good,The club is not doing well ATM .

My expectations will not alter anything,I don't use poorly referenced arguments as its just my opinion,If you find my opinion tedious and aggravating I suggest don't read my posts.

At last something sensible in this thread!!

 

[Silencer]

What do you think he should be doing for our match at 9 pm?

Cheap shot - what else should the man be doing on a Wednesday night. I can guarentee that the teams match preperation is much better than under Sturrock.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Some of you should realise we are lucky to have a manager like Brown. He has more to lose than you realise, if he doesn't do well here then he will never get another job at a higher level. He probably does intend to move on if a better opportunity arises but he's not stupid and knows he has to get results here or he can kiss his managerial career goodbye. I suppose he could be continuing his media work in order to have a back up plan if it doesn't work out here, with a chairman like RM promising so much and delivering **** all wouldn't you do the same ?

 

[Mick]

Some of you should realise we are lucky to have a manager like Brown.

Excuse me for not feeling that lucky that we have a manager who has, thus far, delivered relegation results (just as he did at his previous job).

What would our results be like if we were unlucky with our manager ?

 

[chapperzUK]

Some of you should realise we are lucky to have a manager like Brown. He has more to lose than you realise, if he doesn't do well here then he will never get another job at a higher level.

He hasn't got anything to lose. He came here getting rejections from clubs all over the place including those in the conference, so if he doesn't do a decent job here he wouldn't have made it any worse for himself.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

He hasn't got anything to lose. He came here getting rejections from clubs all over the place including those in the conference, so if he doesn't do a decent job here he wouldn't have made it any worse for himself.

I presume you can prove those facts ?

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Excuse me for not feeling that lucky that we have a manager who has, thus far, delivered relegation results (just as he did at his previous job).

What would our results be like if we were unlucky with our manager ?

Excuse me for not judging the manager after a handful of games

 

[Jam_Man]

Excuse me for not judging the manager after a handful of games

How many games before you start forming an opinion though?

3 wins in 8 is not impressive and thats almost 20% of the season gone. He really needs a win tonight to retain any credibility as the whole point of him being here is to get is promoted.

Personally as the last 4 games have mainly been close and we should have gained more points Im giving him the benefit of he doubt, but we lose tonight and its going to be hard to do so.

 

[Mick]

Excuse me for not judging the manager after a handful of games

You have judged him. You said we are lucky.

What basis did you make that judgement on ? I made mine on facts.

 

[chapperzUK]

I presume you can prove those facts ?

Applied for the Lincoln job (warning about the link, it has a video advert with sound!)

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk...tory-18247911-detail/story.html#axzz2g68sDNFn

Also applied for the Hartlepool, Bury, Plymouth and Limerick jobs.

http://thetwounfortunates.com/how-low-will-phil-brown-stoop-before-he-gets-a-job/

Although, we don't know what happens in the interviews but his demands could have been excessive.

 

[mrsblue]

At last something sensible in this thread!!

Wow great contribution to this thread,Well done.

 

[mrsblue]

Some of you should realise we are lucky to have a manager like Brown. He has more to lose than you realise, if he doesn't do well here then he will never get another job at a higher level. He probably does intend to move on if a better opportunity arises but he's not stupid and knows he has to get results here or he can kiss his managerial career goodbye. I suppose he could be continuing his media work in order to have a back up plan if it doesn't work out here, with a chairman like RM promising so much and delivering **** all wouldn't you do the same ?

4 wins in 17 games and 1 point from the last 15 available,You are right we are sooooooooooo lucky.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Applied for the Lincoln job (warning about the link, it has a video advert with sound!)

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk...tory-18247911-detail/story.html#axzz2g68sDNFn

Also applied for the Hartlepool, Bury, Plymouth and Limerick jobs.

http://thetwounfortunates.com/how-low-will-phil-brown-stoop-before-he-gets-a-job/

Although, we don't know what happens in the interviews but his demands could have been excessive.

Hardly factual is it, rumour in my opinion, i'm sure he did apply for some jobs but how do you know he didn't reject an offer after speaking to the club(s) concerned ?

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

How many games before you start forming an opinion though?

3 wins in 8 is not impressive and thats almost 20% of the season gone. He really needs a win tonight to retain any credibility as the whole point of him being here is to get is promoted.

Personally as the last 4 games have mainly been close and we should have gained more points Im giving him the benefit of he doubt, but we lose tonight and its going to be hard to do so.

I agree not impressive but this is SUFC and if Sir Alex couldn't deliver an instant fix who are we to raise expectations to an unreasonable level given the constraints he is working under.

I don't agree with the way he has criticised players in public and he is a bit of a gobshite at times but I can't imagine there was a long list of candidates for the job who could match his experience and claim to have the same level of contacts at bigger clubs. Give the man a chance is all i'm saying.

 

[chapperzUK]

Hardly factual is it, rumour in my opinion, i'm sure he did apply for some jobs but how do you know he didn't reject an offer after speaking to the club(s) concerned ?

What would you have considered "factual" then?

If he turned them down after speaking to them but accepted us, a club who has a history of not paying wages or tax bills on time and under an embargo, makes you wonder what the others said for him to reject them.

 

[mrsblue]

I agree not impressive but this is SUFC and if Sir Alex couldn't deliver an instant fix who are we to raise expectations to an unreasonable level given the constraints he is working under.

I don't agree with the way he has criticised players in public and he is a bit of a gobshite at times but I can't imagine there was a long list of candidates for the job who could match his experience and claim to have the same level of contacts at bigger clubs. Give the man a chance is all i'm saying.

Sadly managers nowadays are not allowed time and must hit the ground running,I hope Phil can turn it around and the team climb the table,Currently I have my doubts.

 

[Jam_Man]

I agree not impressive but this is SUFC and if Sir Alex couldn't deliver an instant fix who are we to raise expectations to an unreasonable level given the constraints he is working under.

I don't agree with the way he has criticised players in public and he is a bit of a gobshite at times but I can't imagine there was a long list of candidates for the job who could match his experience and claim to have the same level of contacts at bigger clubs. Give the man a chance is all i'm saying.

The problem is that Sturrock was sacked for not getting us in the play-offs, if Brown doesnt then he has failed. Midtable is not acceptable so we need to see some upward movement asap.

He should have time, but he also needs to be around the play-offs now. At the moment a couple of decent results gets us right back in, but another couple of draws/losses and it will get harder to do so.

 

[Silencer]

Sadly managers nowadays are not allowed time and must hit the ground running,I hope Phil can turn it around and the team climb the table,Currently I have my doubts.

I wonder how many of the Brown haters will be at the match tonight and of those that are, I wonder how many will sit there moaning as opposed to getting behind the team!!!

The constant negativity on shrimpermoan is boring - lets try get behind the team tonight and focus our energy on that!!!

 

[londonblue]

The problem is that Sturrock was sacked for not getting us in the play-offs, if Brown doesnt then he has failed. Midtable is not acceptable so we need to see some upward movement asap.

He should have time, but he also needs to be around the play-offs now. At the moment a couple of decent results gets us right back in, but another couple of draws/losses and it will get harder to do so.

Over what period of time? Don't forget we saw progression under Sturrock for the first two seasons. Mangers need to be given time to bed in. Personally I wouldn't expect anything this season...