Phil Brown on 5 Live Sports Extra Tonight

[Jam_Man]

i'd say most managers would be at home mostly with a massive emphasis on their team's match. Man utd played Liverpool in a League cup tie last night but would moyes have been in a studio a day or 2 beforehand? Don't think so. but think you'd agree we are not going to see eye to eye on this. better to draw a line I think.

What does that even mean ?

Im sure Brown is focussed on the game on Friday, but what actual work is there to be done on a Wednesday evening?

As Ive said before which you have ignored, Sturrock used to spend very little time on the training ground and Brown spends far more time than he does. Does that mean Brown is more committed than Sturrock was?

IF you could give me just one thing that Brown should be doing in the evening that would benefit the team other than just "having emphasis" maybe Id understand the criticism, but there isnt anything.

Most of the work and preparation for a game is done on the training pitch with the players. Whatever else remains does not require 10 hours a day to complete.

Would you have an issue if he went to the cinema on a Wednesday, or out for dinner?

 

[Southend Pier]

once more in the official build -up to a game if its a quiet outing like a restaurant or a quiet evening with a friend or 2 etc no problem as you focus on the key event, your team your game, will be very much in mind. that's what you'd say to the players.altho prefably you'd want them at this stage to be resting up developing a sole focus on what they have to do and what is expected of them. it is a policy what ferguson instilled in his players at utd.

 

[Jam_Man]

once more in the official build -up to a game if its a quiet outing like a restaurant or a quiet evening with a friend or 2 etc no problem as you focus on the key event, your team your game, will be very much in mind. that's what you'd say to the players.altho prefably you'd want them at this stage to be resting up developing a sole focus on what they have to do and what is expected of them. it is a policy what ferguson instilled in his players at utd.

So he can go to a restaurants as long as he is concentrating on the game at all times ? What if the conversation was to stray away from football?
What if he has a quiet evening with a friend but the friend decides he or she wants to listen to One Direction really loud ?! Does he have to put on headphones and stare at the squad photo just in case his mind wanders?

I think you might be referring to Paulo Di Canio's managerial handbook more than Alex Ferguson's.

 

[Davros]

For f**k sake, do you people not have hobbies and activities that you do outside of work?

If he was at home sleeping, no-one would give a toss, why should it matter what he is doing, if it is outside of the hours he is being paid for?

You lot seem to think that because he manages a football team, he needs to give 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year to it. These people are humans for god sake, with lives and hobbies outside of their jobs. Get a grip and get real!

 

[Southend Pier]

So he can go to a restaurants as long as he is concentrating on the game at all times ? What if the conversation was to stray away from football?
What if he has a quiet evening with a friend but the friend decides he or she wants to listen to One Direction really loud ?! Does he have to put on headphones and stare at the squad photo just in case his mind wanders?

I think you might be referring to Paulo Di Canio's managerial handbook more than Alex Ferguson's.

The Di Canio situation is different. He spoke out too many times and paid the price. What Brown has to be a little careful of. Plus also the players and some staff away from the playing side were very wary of him. Di canio by all accounts was a dictator to unpleassent levels and no I do not feel this is the way it should be because it is proven not to work. You have to give players a certain amount of freedom and responsibility and to place trust in them in the way they go about doing this. They are adults not children. and as they are adults they should be treated as such. If they behave like children then temporarii;y treat them in this way . it was Ferguson's way of trying of maintaining a high level of discipline and respect. Those are the two words, Discipline and respect , you seem to have left out. I certainly don't thing being dictatorial is the way to go . as you say Di Canio found out what happens if you go down that route. Towards YOUR club and YOUR clubs supporters it has to be discipline, respect at all times.

 

[Jam_Man]

I mentioned Di Canio because he had unrealistic demands and expecations, and to expect a manager to have no personal time to himself in the evening is probably the sort of thing he would endorse.

 

[Southend Pier]

And I think Di Canio's reaction on the pitch after his last game was an act of desperation. A desperate plea to get people on side with him again because maybe he knew he was out of his depth. Didn't know any other way other than to bully and dictate. NOT the way to do it.

 

[londonblue]

I'm not questioning him interms of turning up, picking the team etc. I think the planning and the fine tuning of his plans should be given thorough attention in that 48 hour period before a match. It is respecting your club with professionalism. If I was in a media studio I wouldn't be giving full attention to my duties at my club in the last remaining hours. earlier in the week fine as you'll have time to do other things but in the last day or 2 to me its about your club at all times.

Indeed, and taking a couple of hours out to relax simply isn't acceptable. So I ask again, if PB would have been at home with his feet up no-one would be any the wiser, so would that be OK, or is your issue just that he happened to be out at a footy match, and was getting paid to talk about it?

 

[londonblue]

I went on management courses for around 5 years.

I never remember anyone ever telling me I couldnt have the evenings off. I do remember however being told that a successful manager should be building a team to spread the work load so that you dont end up doing everything yourself and working long hours for no reason....



Im not really sure what fine tuning you actually think is to be done at 8pm on a Wednesday evening that cant be done on the two days following that he still has.

Most of the work is done with the players, I really cant think of one thing that he would need to do in the evening that he would be neglecting.

Do you really think the Bristol Rovers manager was actually working on football last night or was he just at home having his dinner and watching the telly ?

Sounds like you went on the same type of courses as me. Shame really, we should have paid more and gone on the courses that tell you truth; that you're not allowed time out and have to spend 24 hours a day thinking about your job. No wonder my 360 appraisals from my team were so poor. Oh, hang on a minute, they weren't, but just think how much better they could have been if I had gone on the right courses.

 

[londonblue]

once more in the official build -up to a game if its a quiet outing like a restaurant or a quiet evening with a friend or 2 etc no problem as you focus on the key event, your team your game, will be very much in mind. that's what you'd say to the players.altho prefably you'd want them at this stage to be resting up developing a sole focus on what they have to do and what is expected of them. it is a policy what ferguson instilled in his players at utd.

Can you also explain what is meant by this? When does this start? Or have you just decided that it should start 48 hours before a game so that you can have a go at PB for relaxing for a few hours?

 

[Flinty]

I've got an important meeting Friday which could net my Company a large Contract with good profits this financial year. I need to be upto date with all the terms of the Contract how it was priced and methodology of delivering it on time and on budget.

Last night I was at Garons doing reps around the running track.......

Just saying :winking:

 

[londonblue]

I mentioned Di Canio because he had unrealistic demands and expecations, and to expect a manager to have no personal time to himself in the evening is probably the sort of thing he would endorse.

Indeed. How dare Tilly play tabletennis, and Sturrock have an interest in horses.

 

[londonblue]

I've got an important meeting Friday which could net my Company a large Contract with good profits this financial year. I need to be upto date with all the terms of the Contract how it was priced and methodology of delivering it on time and on budget.

Last night I was at Garons doing reps around the running track.......

Just saying :winking:

Idiot. You'll never succeed in management.

 

[Davros]

Southend Pier 48 hours prior to an average day at work..

 

[Flinty]

Idiot. You'll never succeed in management.

I know.......I should have got somebody else to do the reps at Garons !!:smile:

 

[Bolton Shrimper]

Good to see that PB is wanted for gigs like this. It's football related and he might see or hear something he can use for the teams benefit.

 

[SS3]

Just to let you all know, I'm also manager. But never been on a management course! I got promoted this year too.:smile:

In my spare time I like to watch TV, take the missus out for a meal & go to the Gym or see friends.

My contract states that I must work a certain number of hours a day/week. My team, managers and stakeholders do not expect me to refining the finer details of my work in my personal time, no matter how close it is to particular dead line.

I honestly feel that SouthendPier has an unrealistic expectation on what a football manager should do/be doing - I would be interested to understnad the thoughts of his managment style/ability from his team...

 

[Gremlin]

i'd say most managers would be at home mostly with a massive emphasis on their team's match.

I'd rather he was mingling with a few Premier League reserve team players in the hope of persuading them to become Shrimpers, even temporarily. I'm sure we all want our Manager to be well connected and with an extensive contact book, don't we? You don't get those things by sitting at home in front of the Idiot's Lantern.

 

[Suffolk Blue]

My company's policy is that I am expected to maintain a healthy work/life balance, and to ensure that my team do too. My staff are encouraged to pursue activities outside of work in order that they become more rounded individuals. This is reflected in the many management training courses that I've been on.

My manager would actually have to raise an issue with me if I were to work too much outside of my core hours, and I'm expected to do the same with my team.

I wouldn't expect members of my team to be out at the casino until 4am if they have to work the next day, but I rely on their common sense.

As a lot of folks have said, Phil Brown is actually improving the perception of Southend and himself in his media work. As long as he doesn't miss training or a match because of it I can't see any problem at all.

 

[londonblue]

My company's policy is that I am expected to maintain a healthy work/life balance, and to ensure that my team do too. My staff are encouraged to pursue activities outside of work in order that they become more rounded individuals. This is reflected in the many management training courses that I've been on.

My manager would actually have to raise an issue with me if I were to work too much outside of my core hours, and I'm expected to do the same with my team.

I wouldn't expect members of my team to be out at the casino until 4am if they have to work the next day, but I rely on their common sense.

As a lot of folks have said, Phil Brown is actually improving the perception of Southend and himself in his media work. As long as he doesn't miss training or a match because of it I can't see any problem at all.

Interestingly Ford used to give employees £250 to spend on anything so long as it wasn't work related. My friend used to use it for golf lessons.