Post-Match Thread and Ratings York City 3-0 Southend United

[GBJ]

Apparently he would make Kev look like an attacking genius.

Harris is possibly a bigger legend in SE16 than Kev will ever be in SS2, and they hated his football.

Flat 442, hoofball. Mind you, some people will get their wish with the formation.

Harris and Barrett massively overachieved on a very limited playing budget at Millwall in the Championship. Would we really care about playing style if we were getting results?

Yes. People moan about everything.

No - they ripped us apart - it could and should have been 5-0.

5-2 or 5-3 would have been fair

 

[sufc4life21]

Harris is possibly a bigger legend in SE16 than Kev will ever be in SS2, and they hated his football.

Flat 442, hoofball. Mind you, some people will get their wish with the formation.



Yes. People moan about everything.



5-2 or 5-3 would have been fair

I agree his football isn't great but I do think harris is better manager than kev...... harris does know how to grind out results unlike kev. If I'm honest I don't particularly like either.

 

[LennySUFC]

Harris is possibly a bigger legend in SE16 than Kev will ever be in SS2, and they hated his football.

Flat 442, hoofball. Mind you, some people will get their wish with the formation.



Yes. People moan about everything.



5-2 or 5-3 would have been fair

Given the forward shouts in the east stand every other week I think a flat 442 hoof ball would go down a treat

 

[Liam AAS]

I'm at Baldock services. York had the opportunites to kill the game within the first 25 mins and the contest should have been over. To get to HT at 0-0 against a team that was able to create that many quality chances was a great effort.

What was awful was the willingness to give away 3 goals in quick succession all from set pieces. That felt like football Bond/Waddock era. Mentally soft and organisationally poor.

I thought the higher tempo of the game forced our players to react and play instinctively which helped draw them out of the malaise we've seen creeping in but York's quality told and they outgunned us in every department.

Loyalty is important but there's a lot of passengers in that team at the minute. We have chosen to operate with a small, high-quality squad who aren't delivering. We desperately need new bodies who are able to offer some tactical flexibility. We could easily go for 3 wingers, a new CB, CM and CF as well as a new GK as Collin looked bereft when that 3rd went in. Something needs to happen on the playing side, we look totally inert.

 

[blues exile]

But is that the players or the way Kev tells them to play. A lot of players come here and start off well then deteriorate.

That unfortunately is the established pattern. Maher is a reverse alchemist turning gold into base metal because of his rigid, defensive and uncreative style. Any spark of creativity or God forbid, adventure, is soon drummed out of new recruits, even older more experienced players like Moncur.

 

[sufc4life21]

I said last week we should probably give kev the rest of the season and review his position then but I'm starting to have doubts now, also I'm not sure I want to particularly trust kev and past his sell by date jon still when January arrives...... lets be honest here the recruitment over the last year or so has been dreadful. The players we are recruiting are bottom end conference players, not players who we need to bring in to make us challenge for play offs or automatic promotion. I don't want to see us continuing to sign 26 year old part timers from the northern pub league. The consortium should now be thinking long and hard to whether they continuing this path or not. We don't want to find ourselves in the same position 12 months down the line, that's the real danger here.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

My main concern today was not that we didn't score or even that we weren't set up for this. It was, as I suggested earlier, that we conceded three goals in twelve minutes, all from set pieces. I may have my criticisms of KM but today I don't feel he had a lot of options. I honestly don't think that if we'd set up in a more attacking mode it would have made a difference to the result , with our weaknesses in defence exposed. More a question of whether you prefer to lose 3-0 or 5-2? Change what you want but the fact remains that, at the moment, York City have a superior squad to ours and are playing with far more confidence.

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Yes, this is Kev's way of playing. And until he accepts it isn't working it won't improve

Which if not changed, will probably be his downfall?. Nigh on every game, the post match comments are akin to 'Groundhog Day'?.

 

[GBJ]

I agree his football isn't great but I do think harris is better manager than kev...... harris does know how to grind out results unlike kev. If I'm honest I don't particularly like either.

Based on what?

Whilst we can agree this season hasn’t gone to plan, I find it hard to envision Harris would have done any better than Kev in the last few years.

As for being a better manager, I’d point you in the direction of Millwall fans who are glad to see the back of him, whilst they still have the possibility of a playoff spot in the championship.

Given the forward shouts in the east stand every other week I think a flat 442 hoof ball would go down a treat

East stand love a forward shout

I said last week we should probably give kev the rest of the season and review his position then but I'm starting to have doubts now,

Only reason for replacing KM now is if we still think we can achieve something this season.

I don’t think we can, so for that reason I would stick rather than twist

 

[shrimperjon]

Probably scored a goal in training. Can't have someone upstage our strikers like that

Just talked to Chris Phillips at the services. As Gubbins was fit to be on the bench today Golding wasn’t required. I really don’t get that as the lad comes with a decent reputation and scored twice for Maidenhead this season in 8 games. He must be better than Crowther for a start so why bring him in and not bother playing him especially in a game like today?

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

I thought the lads looked tired out there today,

If they were, that's down to the weekly training sessions?. We've played the same amount of games as most others, & even opted out of that 'two bob' midweek cup competition to prevent unnecessary tiredness & injuries?.
Plus we've got a full subs bench, some of whom must be chomping to have a game, yet they barely get a look in?. KAF for example, played 35 games for Dagenham last season, & surely wasn't signed just to fill the bench numbers?.

 

[Shrimper]

Our last 10 leagues games in goals scored

0, 0, 2, 0, 2, 0, 0, 2, 0, 1

Pathetic. Scored more goals in Cups (8), than our last 10

The scorers were Walker (1), Coker (2), Pepple (2), Ralph (1), Crowther (1)

 

[kentblues]

That was a lot easier for him though, their stadium was ok and he was not having to pay off all the creditors of a former chairman.

COSU have had their hands tied by having to look at other spending. Hopefully the new member will help to inject some cash into the playing budget.

Maybe….but if COSU has its hands tied then by the same token Kev has his tied. One follows the other and we need, as we said we would, to adjust expectations accordingly…with regret.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Maher has not helped himself here. Surely you play your best players .. based on form. Why sign players you aren’t going to give a chance to start. Why continually pick players who underperform, what message does that send? I’m a big fan of Coker and Morton but there were two passengers alongside them today. Crowther, he needs a break, he’s not doing it for me. Golding who looks a big solid unit can’t even get on the bench?! I just don’t get it!! Especially when you’re trying to find solutions. Maybe he thought it wasn’t the game to take risks in. But his “tried and trusted” players seem to be the issue ..

Losing to York away is excusable, even being outplayed by a better team. Giving away three goals at set pieces isn’t. Not leaving absolutely everything out there isn’t. Kev needs to find an answer soon to all this, as even the pro Maher brigade are starting to turn. I happen to agree with those who’ve said things have changed for the worse since Stan left. Maybe it’s no coincidence.

 

[Lincoln Shrimp]

Just called Chris Phillips at the services. As Gubbins was fit to be on the bench today Golding wasn’t required. I really don’t get that as the lad comes with a decent reputation and scored twice for Maidenhead this season in 8 games. He must be better than Crowther for a start so why bring him in and not bother playing him especially in a game like today?

Kev's loyalty to his players could ultimately prove to be his undoing.

Completely agree....if Golding isn't at least in the squad ahead of Crowther on Boxing Day then I have serious doubts about what Kev is seeing out there on the pitch.
On another note, I thought Bim was pretty poor today and was well marshalled by the York centre halves. For once I thought Walker looked the better of the two.
Not sure whether Bim's shoulder was still troubling him? If it was, then it makes the decision not to start either Bonne or Kendall even more baffling.

 

[Exiled Shrimper]

For me, this game fell into the same category as Stockport away in April 2022 (L0-5), Notts County away in February 2023 (L0-4) and Chesterfield away last season (L0-3) when we simply came up against an excellent team close to the top of their form and possibly destined for promotion. We’re not at that level currently, and much work will need to be done to reach it.

And yet, because of the nature of the goals conceded, all three as a result of right-wing corners delivered to the far post, the result somehow feels avoidable. We could genuinely have walked away this afternoon with a goalless draw or even snatched it with some of the late chances created (albeit York may have dealt with those differently had they not relaxed whilst three goals clear).

I actually felt York were more dangerous in the first half. They exploited the space in behind our wing-backs repeatedly, and Crowther had a torrid time when isolated against either Pearce or Sinclair. That we weren’t two or three down at half-time was due to some profligate finishing from the hosts and some spirited defending (including from Crowther).

When we were able to attack, it looked promising, and I thought Bridge was more threatening than he has been in recent weeks down the left-hand side. I don’t think we sat back completely and allowed York to attack us; we did try to give them things to think about, it was just they had more quality at their disposal and more confidence to deploy it.

After the interval, I sensed we were more in control than we had been before it. York still had loads of possession, but the defence wasn’t being over-worked, and then we had a great chance to take the lead when Walker worked his way to the goal-line and cut back for Scott-Morriss, who probably had more time than he thought and instead lent back to slice over with his left foot.

Bridge also had a decent strike saved by Male, but then we got hit when we were having our best spell of the game with the first goal and York capitalised again twice more from identical situations. Difficult to tell who was at fault from the opposite end, although I suspect Andeng-Ndi will be disappointed with the second and third goals regardless of what occurred prior to that.

Kendall looked sharp when he came on and should’ve scored with his first touch, meeting a square Bridge pass at the near post and sending it the wrong side of the upright. Bonne also had an effort deflected off-target and Kendall dragged another attempt wide in injury time, although the result was well out of reach by then.

 

[danbowen]

People saying KM deserves next season. Question - what makes you actually think it will be any better. We have been out of an embargo for 6 months now or so and are going backwards month on month. We don’t look like scoring, we don’t create anything, we look like conceding from every set piece and we are playing players that are so far out of form it is mindblowing. We will no doubt sign players that have played for Dagenham in the past and think we will move forward which ain’t gonna happen. If we want to get out of this **** league we need to spend significant amounts of money to get quality players in not fanny around with adding one or two players with no experience of winning anything. You need a good blend of experience and younger players and have more than one game plan! We are an embarrassment at the moment and that is summed up the fact we will likely struggle against ebbsfleet and Braintree in the coming week or so.

 

[Holy Joe]

Maher has not helped himself here. Surely you play your best players .. based on form. Why sign players you aren’t going to give a chance to start. Why continually pick players who underperform, what message does that send? I’m a big fan of Coker and Morton but there were two passengers alongside them today. Crowther, he needs a break, he’s not doing it for me. Golding who looks a big solid unit can’t even get on the bench?! I just don’t get it!! Especially when you’re trying to find solutions. Maybe he thought it wasn’t the game to take risks in. But his “tried and trusted” players seem to be the issue ..

Losing to York away is excusable, even being outplayed by a better team. Giving away three goals at set pieces isn’t. Not leaving absolutely everything out there isn’t. Kev needs to find an answer soon to all this, as even the pro Maher brigade are starting to turn. I happen to agree with those who’ve said things have changed for the worse since Stan left. Maybe it’s no coincidence.

If you're playing players based on form - how does Golding get in the team?

 

[Barling Magna]

York are a good side but they are not world beaters but at times we made them look like they are.

York are good enough to be top of the division having scored 47 goals to our 24 and won 14 games to our 6. So they are twice as good as we are. Not world beaters, but twice as good as us....

 

[sufc4life21]

Based on what?

Whilst we can agree this season hasn’t gone to plan, I find it hard to envision Harris would have done any better than Kev in the last few years.

As for being a better manager, I’d point you in the direction of Millwall fans who are glad to see the back of him, whilst they still have the possibility of a playoff spot in the championship.




East stand love a forward shout



Only reason for replacing KM now is if we still think we can achieve something this season.

I don’t think we can, so for that reason I would stick rather than twist

I don't particularly rate either but Harris does know how to get extra 10% out of struggling side to get some half decent results. Neil Harris hoofball with barry corr type striker wouldn't be to sad, maybe another win at Wembley next year