We are being mugged off !

[Yorkshire Blue]

Excellent post and you have my agreement on it all.

Oh ****.

That's worrying.

 

[chapperzUK]

If a player shoots from 25 out and it flies in then fantastic yet wayward shooting is the one thing this team are guilty of now they are either bad players or they are panicking,Possibly the reason for the panic is they are drilled to get behind the ball.

If our manager and his staff were all strikers in their playing career I bet we would be scoring shed loads yet they were all defensive players and guess what we don't concede many.

Rodgers and Pellegrini were defenders, over 200 goals they got in the league.

 

[Parold]

Any team with a defensive record like ours is because we all get behind the ball and defend for our lives then once we regain possession our midfield/wide men and forward are all too knackered to get back up the pitch which probably explains wayward shots off target because they panic when ever they are near to goal.

We are not blessed with world class defenders so Phil's system is very hard to break down to suit his style of management as throughout his career he builds on the defence and hopes it clicks at the other end.

I'm curious to find out what system you would play and who would feature in your starting eleven? If you are unhappy with the current crop of strikers, who would you bring in?

 

[Jam_Man]

I'm curious to find out what system you would play and who would feature in your starting eleven? If you are unhappy with the current crop of strikers, who would you bring in?

Something with Williams up front and Payne in the hole. He has told us enough :smile:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Rodgers and Pellegrini were defenders, over 200 goals they got in the league.

George Graham was known as "Stroller" on account of his laidback playing style but produced one of the dourest sides ever.

Some managers only know their side of the game, others over-emphasise the aspects of the game that they lacked.

The best are alchemists who try to achieve the right balance.

 

[mrsblue]

I'm curious to find out what system you would play and who would feature in your starting eleven? If you are unhappy with the current crop of strikers, who would you bring in?

442...This system would suit Couthirst with Barney who if he doesn't perform(Barney) he then get's the hook for Layne Brown or Williams.

 

[Beefy]

His team isn't that different to Sturrock's, which also was well organised and pressed. The main difference was that Sturrock wanted to play in the opposition's final third and Brown wants to play from our final third. By the time we work the ball forward under Brown the opposition have men behind the ball and are organised.

If you have a look at the goals we've scored this season we've a goal from a long ball (Weston from Corr's flick), a penalty and three shots from outside the area (Leonard, Clifford, Coker).

That suggests an inability to break teams down.

..........

We also need more flair. I know Hall and Mohsni were flawed, but they provided chances, goals and a sense of excitement that is essentially lacking in the current team which, Hurst aside, is decidedly workmanlike.

Completely agree. Hurst and Hall have got a lot of assists in recent years so clearly we have form for creating chances in wide areas but we're devoid of creativity in central areas. It is why it staggers me the stick our strikers get every time they're let down by the rest of the team.

 

[mrsblue]

Completely agree. Hurst and Hall have got a lot of assists in recent years so clearly we have form for creating chances in wide areas but we're devoid of creativity in central areas. It is why it staggers me the stick our strikers get every time they're let down by the rest of the team.

The strikers,

Fred who scored about 20 in 7 years so was never going to score many and so it proved.
Barney in his previous seasons before rejoining was going through a lean spell which has continued.
Corr apart from one season has never been prolific in his career.
Woodrow has a poor ratio.

 

[chapperzUK]

The strikers,

Fred who scored about 20 in 7 years so was never going to score many and so it proved.
Barney in his previous seasons before rejoining was going through a lean spell which has continued.
Corr apart from one season has never been prolific in his career.
Woodrow has a poor ratio.

Freddy got 4 in 5 at the start of last season before getting injured, which obviously affected him hence his retirement.

Barnard has dropped from the Premiership to League 2, why else would he have dropped so far if he wasn't get games and banging them in. You question the signing yet you still call for him to start games.

Corr has scored more than 10 in every season he has played with us and his overall game is more than just scoring goals.

Woodrow doesn't even play for us now. Rarely are young players prolific and when they are they won't be playing in the lower leagues for long.

The point the person you replied to was making was that we don't score because we don't have creativity yet all you've done is posted that our strikers don't score.

 

[Jam_Man]

One minute the argument is we are too defensive and not able to get the ball forward so people are shooting from 25 yards, the next its criticising the strikers for only scoring double figures each season.

 

[Beefy]

The strikers,

Fred who scored about 20 in 7 years so was never going to score many and so it proved.
Barney in his previous seasons before rejoining was going through a lean spell which has continued.
Corr apart from one season has never been prolific in his career.
Woodrow has a poor ratio.

But further up the page you're blaiming the tactics.

I'm not trying to trip you up here. I'm just trying to point out that one of the reasons people pull you up on stuff is that your arguments are vague and swap around to suit the post you're replying to. Either the strikers are missing too many chances or the manager is setting them up wrong and playing too defensively.

 

[mrsblue]

But further up the page you're blaiming the tactics.

I'm not trying to trip you up here. I'm just trying to point out that one of the reasons people pull you up on stuff is that your arguments are vague and swap around to suit the post you're replying to. Either the strikers are missing too many chances or the manager is setting them up wrong and playing too defensively.

Ok

Fred scored on his return 12 in 75
Barney has scored 9 from his last 62
Corr 26 from 98
Woodrow 3 in 30 or include his brace in JPT 5 in 33ish I cannot remember.

So between them they have made 268 appearances with 50 goals so a shade over 1 in 5 collectively .

oh I forgot Coulthirst 0 in 6

 

[Jam_Man]

Ok

Fred scored on his return 12 in 75
Barney has scored 9 from his last 62
Corr 26 from 98
Woodrow 3 in 30 or include his brace in JPT 5 in 33ish I cannot remember.

So between them they have made 268 appearances with 50 goals so a shade over 1 in 5 collectively .

And again you are totally ignoring tactics even though thats the point Beefy is making in the post you are replying to.

PS You forgot Loza 1 in 7, a player you drooled over whose ratio is worse than Fred, Barney and Corr. Good old stats!

 

[BrettieAngell]

Can't believe we didn't get Falcao! :angry::angry:

 

[mrsblue]

And again you are totally ignoring tactics even though thats the point Beefy is making in the post you are replying to.

PS You forgot Loza 1 in 7, a player you drooled over whose ratio is worse than Fred, Barney and Corr. Good old stats!

Loza for his home debut alone is beyond reproach!

I know what Beefy was saying but what I am saying even if Phil went gung ho would these forwards finish????

 

[Napster]

This thread is hilarious.

[video=youtube;veAIHDGghP4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veAIHDGghP4[/video]

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Look at the best scenario,
Shaq suddenly scores for fun we go top of the table then Spurs recall him and we are once again looking for somebody to score so in realty these loan deals only benefit the player and parent club.

Would this club pay any penalty fee I have no idea as it depends on the percentage we would forfeit .

the way Egan and Sokolik were recalled after 5 games? he's not about to start bothering their first team, maybe they think he's better having a longer run at a lower level. I'd say it's rare they get recalled after a short time but we're not loaded so we have to get what we can.

maybe rather than getting guaranteed time on the pitch, why would anyone agree to that?, would it not make more sense to say 'you get a fair crack, prove yourself'. that makes sense for us, and Spuds might worry if he can't get in a Southend team so i'd imagine it's unlikely he has a guarantee

 

[Jam_Man]

Loza for his home debut alone is beyond reproach!

I know what Beefy was saying but what I am saying even if Phil went gung ho would these forwards finish????

One good game in 7 is still no better than the other's ratio who you slate. Selective when it comes to stats, happy to use them to condem those you dont like.

I dont even know what "gung ho" means tactic wise. We are having more shots than opponents already. Id rather a balanced tactic with a solid defence than putting all your players up front and changing the setting to Overload football manager style.

the way Egan and Sokolik were recalled after 5 games? he's not about to start bothering their first team, maybe they think he's better having a longer run at a lower level. I'd say it's rare they get recalled after a short time but we're not loaded so we have to get what we can.

maybe rather than getting guaranteed time on the pitch, why would anyone agree to that?, would it not make more sense to say 'you get a fair crack, prove yourself'. that makes sense for us, and Spuds might worry if he can't get in a Southend team so i'd imagine it's unlikely he has a guarantee

You can add Assombalonga to the list.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

i will take issue with MrsBlue's point on Phil Brown. she/you say/says that he sets out his teams to defend and hopes they do alright at the other end. I think that's wrong. i would be very surprised if any manager at any level worked hard, over hard, on any one aspect of the game then left the rest in the lap of the Gods.
we haven't been doing great at banging goals in and do have a very decent defensive record but some managers like a solid base and some managers, e.g. Arsene Wenger like no base and just lots of floaty attacking midfielders. we'd all love more wins and goals but i think to say that attacking is left to chance is wrong in my opinion

 

[eastwood shrimper]

I know I will get shot down here with it is only hypothetical but would you rather see us win some games 3-2 and draw some 3-3 but lose most 4-3 and play the attacking football you are demanding which is possible as you have already said earlier we do not possess world class defenders or would you rather see us win or draw most game 1-0 and 0-0 and lose some games 1-0 but carry on playing the football that we currently are?