We are being mugged off !

[mrsblue]

Indeed, this is getting very very repetitive and very very boring and to be honest its putting me off actually coming on the Zone and Im meant to be moderating it.

We had comments about Barnard having a clause in his contract, obviously nonsense.

We had the same with Woodrow, he had to start games. Then he wasnt starting so 'he had to get on the pitch', then he didnt even get on, again nonsense.

So now we lose a game where Bolger stupidly get sent off now Shaq is the scapegoat and conspiracy target.

Maybe Phil thought he was the best player to put on because he was pacy? Thats all we need after all.

Personally I havent been impressed with him, but that doesnt mean Brown is being forced into playing him.

Why don't you read the other threads then,This ain't a pop but I cannot understand your thinking.
You have not been impressed with him that makes 2 of us then at least.
Woodrow has only scored 3 league goals in 30 appearances so hardly prolific yet here he had game after game.
The key point is somebody else told me about this current deal .

 

[southendkid]

Tell us what our untried players lack that Shaq has got?Remember Woodrow where Phil even told the media no such playing time deal was involved,Why would Phil even bother explaining if it was so ridiculous .Somebody else told me about Shaq's loan deal so I am just the messenger yet I believe this deal exists.

Is this the same Woodrow who after the playing time deal thing was claimed he stop being picked, therefore proving the clause rumour was a load of rubbish? Maybe Brown just has different tactical ideas to random fans on the internet, there is no conspiracy.

 

[Jam_Man]

Why don't you read the other threads then,This ain't a pop but I cannot understand your thinking.
You have not been impressed with him that makes 2 of us then at least.
Woodrow has only scored 3 league goals in 30 appearances so hardly prolific yet here he had game after game.
The key point is somebody else told me about this current deal .

Im a mod, I have to check all threads sadly.

Just because a player hasnt had an impact doesnt make me want to hunt out conspiracies why they are still playing.

Weston hasnt inspired me either, Leonard hasnt had the same impact. Are they only playing because of contracts?

I personally am getting tired of seeing multiple threads all complaining about the same thing. Its been going on for about 9 months now. You keep on with the same old tired arguments which are poorly argued and the only acceptable end result for you will be to play Jason Williams and go "All out attack". God help us if Brown does that and we lose, I fear you would explode.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Like Jamman and I supsect others, MrsBlue is pretty much the sole reason I stay away from this site after a match day. I appreciate fully that people's opinions differ, and many people view the game from alternative perspective's. It's the beauty of the game, and a forum board - it's fun to argue the finer points of the game with your fellow fans. But the relentless negative flooding of the board, both here and around England drains the enjoyment from this site. The hypocrosy of the 'zzzzzzzzzzzz' posts, childish thread title's whilst getting on her high horse threatening to block people who dare to disagree with an element of humour or logic in their posts (Chapperz & ESB spring to mind) make trying to debate with her akin to banging your head against a brick wall in every thread. How can you enjoy a debate with someone that ignores any point made by posters that dare to differ whilst just repeating the same old tripe that can't be proven or has been proven false?

So it's so nice to see a post like your own that actually bring some element of sanity to these threads, well thought out, reasonable and unlike myself and a few other frustrated posters, able to do so elequantly and without **** taking.

I wasn't actually aware you could put posters on ignore until she mentioned it. Mods could someone PM me around how to do this please. It'll make my Zone experience a better place.

You can put people on ignore under the Setting menu (see top right) then Edit Ignore List on the left.

Despite the pretty compelling reasons you've stated, I'd still advocate that people don't do it. I can see why it would be tempting to filter out some of the more nonsensical opinions sometimes (and particularly the teflon-coated, never deflected, broken record posting that some posters adopt) but actually your post above proves why it would ruin the board as you were provoked into a thoughtful contribution.

What I still find GREAT about this board is that most opinions get challenged, stupid or otherwise.

I personally think it's better to just ignore certain posts (and posters?) for yourself rather than have the system do it for you.

 

[mrsblue]

Like Jamman and I supsect others, MrsBlue is pretty much the sole reason I stay away from this site after a match day. I appreciate fully that people's opinions differ, and many people view the game from alternative perspective's. It's the beauty of the game, and a forum board - it's fun to argue the finer points of the game with your fellow fans. But the relentless negative flooding of the board, both here and around England drains the enjoyment from this site. The hypocrosy of the 'zzzzzzzzzzzz' posts, childish thread title's whilst getting on her high horse threatening to block people who dare to disagree with an element of humour or logic in their posts (Chapperz & ESB spring to mind) make trying to debate with her akin to banging your head against a brick wall in every thread. How can you enjoy a debate with someone that ignores any point made by posters that dare to differ whilst just repeating the same old tripe that can't be proven or has been proven false?

So it's so nice to see a post like your own that actually bring some element of sanity to these threads, well thought out, reasonable and unlike myself and a few other frustrated posters, able to do so elequantly and without **** taking.

I wasn't actually aware you could put posters on ignore until she mentioned it. Mods could someone PM me around how to do this please. It'll make my Zone experience a better place.

I suspect on here you and your little gang were the billy big balls and none of you like the fact I have a go back,Your reply borders on being childish as nobody on here will put me off visiting this forum I just simply ignore their posts.

True my style is not for everyone yet I cannot understand why grown men actually post "mrs blue is putting me off this site"

 

[onceknownasrab]

Why don't you read the other threads then,This ain't a pop but I cannot understand your thinking.
You have not been impressed with him that makes 2 of us then at least.
Woodrow has only scored 3 league goals in 30 appearances so hardly prolific yet here he had game after game.
The key point is somebody else told me about this current deal .

I am not in opposition to you mrsblue and of course you are entitled to your opinion BUT I have yet to see any substantiated evidence that there are any contractual reasons why PB would pick a player he does not rate. I know PB mentioned a break clause in Shaq's loan deal and Woodrow was pulled because he did not get played enough but I am inclined to believe Shaq is picked by PB because the manager believes he is the best option.

I am sure if Shaq was proven to be a lame duck then PB would drop him even if it means his parent club call him back.

The only true gripe is that certain personnel are not hitting the back of the net, despite ample chances, and maybe it's time to tweak the selection a little and let some of PB's favourites take a place on the bench and see if some others in the squad can turn things around.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

I will give up if Phil plays the same system/players in the JPT.

Does 'give up' mean you won't trawl shrimperzone with negative posts all day?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I think the 'put off the site' thing is just when it's the same posts with the words in a slightly different order going round and round that it is just boring to read an uninformative. The site needs to be interesting so people want to log in, and it's up to those who post to make it interesting. Nothing much else to it I don't think. Collective responsibility to entertain each other.

 

[Blue_Wes]

I suspect on here you and your little gang were the billy big balls and none of you like the fact I have a go back,Your reply borders on being childish as nobody on here will put me off visiting this forum I just simply ignore their posts.

True my style is not for everyone yet I cannot understand why grown men actually post "mrs blue is putting me off this site"

And you have the tenacity to moan at the sarcy way other people post towards your repeitive scarmongering and conspiracy theories. And pray tell me, who is in my gang? Or is this just another made up theory....

I come on here to talk about Southend. I enjoy arguing the toss with those I disagree with, as most people I engage on here actually have the ability to listen to others points of view, and put there own points across without quite frankly ******** titles like secret photo albums, and being mugged off with secret contact clauses that you have no proof exist, or made up contracts being rejected by players opting to sign for clubs higher up the league echolons.

The longer term posters on here will remember the constant battles I had with Yorkie Blue for example over the merits of Blair Sturrock. The difference is, that despite both being very strong in our convictions, we always listened to the others arguments, and adressed all the points, not manipulating them into something they weren't or conveniently ignoring those that disproved our points. We also didn't make **** up, to try and give our scaremongerong some level of credence.

Yes, I find you flooding the board with your CHANGE EVERYTHING tiresome and boring. I find the fact that you constantly make **** up to support your 'everyone is cluesless, shambolic and useless bar me and Jason Williams' (based on nothing bar five minutes where he fluffed a chance he handled to get) assertations. I find your childish headings tiresome. I find the fact that you flood the board with constant negativity tiresome. I find the fact that when I and other posters attempt to engage you, you ignore all the good points others have made the effort to put accross to you because it doesn't fit into your agenda tiresome. So yes, I find myself not coming onto the board because I can't be bothered to trawl through all your made up, scaremongering negative, unreasonable postings about my club to find the good and interesting post from people who realise that a conversation is a two way thing. I do find it odd that some one who posts dead mature Lee's secret photo album jibes finds a 'cut out the things I don't like approach' childish. But hey each to their own.

Again - Mods, if someone could please PM me on how to block posters, I'd be grateful.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Again - Mods, if someone could please PM me on how to block posters, I'd be grateful.

See post #104 above.

 

[mrsblue]

I think the 'put off the site' thing is just when it's the same posts with the words in a slightly different order going round and round that it is just boring to read an uninformative. The site needs to be interesting so people want to log in, and it's up to those who post to make it interesting. Nothing much else to it I don't think. Collective responsibility to entertain each other.

I would not dream of ever stating such a thing regarding any poster on here,My problem is I argue my point in a reasoned way by throwing in stat after stat which some will find boring whilst others will be interested and I cannot let the subject go.

Last year around 9 months ago I first started with posts about not scoring enough goals,This topic to me was the most obvious thing we lacked yet 9 months on we are still debating the very same.

I don't set out to annoy anyone they wind theirselves up.

 

[Jam_Man]

I would not dream of ever stating such a thing regarding any poster on here,My problem is I argue my point in a reasoned way by throwing in stat after stat which some will find boring whilst others will be interested and I cannot let the subject go.

Last year around 9 months ago I first started with posts about not scoring enough goals,This topic to me was the most obvious thing we lacked yet 9 months on we are still debating the very same.

I don't set out to annoy anyone they wind theirselves up.

No you really dont.

You get stats and use them in a way to back up whatever rant you are on.

You dont come on here and say we dont score enough goals (albeit thats a point you make, and rightly so) you come on here and say players are playing that we dont want to play because of contracts etc.

You made a point yesterday that Phil Brown is defensive and use your stats to back that up, ie goals scored, yet ignore the shots taken stat shows its not true. Thats not reasoned, its totally biased.

 

[Angell Delight]

For a team with serious aspirations of promotion, 7 points from 5 games isn't good enough. Losing to AFC Wimbledon isn't good enough. The lack of a 20 goal season striker isn't good enough. Fans pay a lot of money to support their team each season and to see Southend floundering as we current are is a bitter pill to take. Fans vent their frustrations in different ways, and a forum is a way that a lot of fans get their frustrations out

I have no problem with that whatsoever but there are plenty on here that do at least provide balance. What I have a problem with is people who never say anything positive, every single time you read a post or thread of theirs they are slagging someone off (or the club as a whole). It's difficult to have any respect for these posters when all they do is moan about everything under the sun. They get called out on here a lot by many others and yet they are completely oblivious as to the reasons why. That's what annoys me about the Zone, don't get me wrong it's a fantastic way for SUFC fans to come together but there are some that are nothing but WUM's on here. I guess you can't have one without the other.....

Hopefully we can hit a long winning run soon which will get rid of the WUM's for a while, we certainly have enough about us as a squad to do that.

 

[mrsblue]

No you really dont.

You get stats and use them in a way to back up whatever rant you are on.

You dont come on here and say we dont score enough goals (albeit thats a point you make, and rightly so) you come on here and say players are playing that we dont want to play because of contracts etc.

You made a point yesterday that Phil Brown is defensive and use your stats to back that up, ie goals scored, yet ignore the shots taken stat shows its not true. Thats not reasoned, its totally biased.

Do you think we score enough goals?

Shots off target or saved/blocked will not win you football matches that is a fact.

I repeat I was informed about the current deal even though I suspected it already.

Prosser revealed last weeks training consisted on defending using most of the team which coincides with Phil's excellent defensive record here,Sadly he appears to forget the other end.

Any team who struggle to score for 17 months or so the blame will fall on the forwards/manager .

 

[Angell Delight]

You made a point yesterday that Phil Brown is defensive and use your stats to back that up, ie goals scored, yet ignore the shots taken stat shows its not true. Thats not reasoned, its totally biased.

Absolutely spot on. :clap: You can't have it both ways, we have created an awful lot of chances this season so far for such a "negative" side.....

 

[Jam_Man]

Do you think we score enough goals?

Shots off target or saved/blocked will not win you football matches that is a fact.

I repeat I was informed about the current deal even though I suspected it already.

Prosser revealed last weeks training consisted on defending using most of the team which coincides with Phil's excellent defensive record here,Sadly he appears to forget the other end.

No I dont think we score enough goals.

That's factual and straightforward.

Saying we are therefore defensive when we have more shots than the opposition every game we play is not.

But it doesnt fit your opinion so you ignore it.

Any team who struggle to score for 17 months or so the blame will fall on the forwards/manager .

Or you could look a little deeper than goals scored and try to analyse why.

Last season we werent creating enough chances, thats not down to strikers, thats the team. This year we are having shots, and Brown already made a comment that we are shooting but maybe not taking the right kind of shots, ie are we shooting too early etc?

Football isnt as simple as dont score goals = forwards fault, let in goals = keepers fault.

 

[Blue_Wes]

You can put people on ignore under the Setting menu (see top right) then Edit Ignore List on the left.

Despite the pretty compelling reasons you've stated, I'd still advocate that people don't do it. I can see why it would be tempting to filter out some of the more nonsensical opinions sometimes (and particularly the teflon-coated, never deflected, broken record posting that some posters adopt) but actually your post above proves why it would ruin the board as you were provoked into a thoughtful contribution.

What I still find GREAT about this board is that most opinions get challenged, stupid or otherwise.

I personally think it's better to just ignore certain posts (and posters?) for yourself rather than have the system do it for you.

Ok, missed this. Thanks.

Also, all good points and I'll endeavour to follow your advice, and whilst I'd like to think I have the willpower to do this, a) I know I won't (see immediate failing below) and b) it's pretty impossible to do at the moment, just due to the volumne of copy and paste posts...

I would not dream of ever stating such a thing regarding any poster on here,My problem is I argue my point in a reasoned way by throwing in stat after stat which some will find boring whilst others will be interested and I cannot let the subject go.

Last year around 9 months ago I first started with posts about not scoring enough goals,This topic to me was the most obvious thing we lacked yet 9 months on we are still debating the very same.

I don't set out to annoy anyone they wind theirselves up.

No you really dont.

You get stats and use them in a way to back up whatever rant you are on.

You dont come on here and say we dont score enough goals (albeit thats a point you make, and rightly so) you come on here and say players are playing that we dont want to play because of contracts etc.

You made a point yesterday that Phil Brown is defensive and use your stats to back that up, ie goals scored, yet ignore the shots taken stat shows its not true. Thats not reasoned, its totally biased.

As Jam Man says, not even close...

You made up a secret clause in Cauley Woodrow's contract. He went on to score in the Premier League and star and score in the U21's international tournament; by your England rants, this means he should be starting for the national side. Odd seeing as he needs a secret clause to get in a league two side.

You made up a ficticious contract that was offered to Dan Holman, despite the club stating it offered no contract, and you presented this fictictious contract as fact alongside the fact a player had signed for a club in a higher division than us (despite the fact a week earlier you were arguing the toss that the Conference and League Two were on a level playing field in terms of ability) that the club was financially screwed and could not compete with anyone. A week later we signed for a transfer fee, a Championship defender.

When using your Brown out argument on Roy Hodgson, you used tid bits of his career to make him seem worse than he was, ommitting all his success. Basically manipulating the facts. As you always do. I think it was the eight/nine worst years of his forty year career against the entirerity of Redknapp's career, because that suited your agenda at the time.

You've claimed that a striker that had only one start, must have some hold over the manager, or clause in his contract that meant he had to play. Despite the fact, he started one in five, and only gets a few minutes from the bench.

You then claim the young, pacey and hungry style striker you've been clamouring for has a secret clause in his contract (it seems every player you dislike has this clause) in his contract, meaning he has to get game time. Oh, this after he'd been dropped from the first time. Conveniantly revealed to you in secret.

That's just what I remember from the top of my head.

Your arguments are made up at worst, heavily manipulated at best.

 

[mrsblue]

Ok, missed this. Thanks.

Also, all good points and I'll endeavour to follow your advice, and whilst I'd like to think I have the willpower to do this, a) I know I won't (see immediate failing below) and b) it's pretty impossible to do at the moment, just due to the volumne of copy and paste posts...








As Jam Man says, not even close...

You made up a secret clause in Cauley Woodrow's contract. He went on to score in the Premier League and star and score in the U21's international tournament. by your England rants, this means he should be starting for the national side. Odd seeing as he needs a scret clause to get in a league two side.

You made up a ficticious contract that was offered to Dan Holman, despite the club stating it offered no contract, and you presented this fictictious contract as fact alongside the fact a player had signed for a club in a higher league than us (despite the fact a week earlier you were arguing the toss that the Conference and League Two were on a level playing field in terms of ability) that the club was financially screwed and could not compete with anyone. A week later we signed for a transfer fee, a Championship defender.

When using your Brown out argument on Roy Hodgson, you used tid bits of his career to make him seem worse than he was, ommitting all his success. Basically maniulating the facts. As you always do. I think it was the eight/nine worst years of his forty year career against the entireity of Redknapp's career, because that suited your agenda at the time.

You've claimed that a striker that had only one start, must have some hold over the manager, or clause in his contract that meant he had to play. Despite the fact, he started one in five, and only gets a few minutes from the bench.

You then claim the young, pacey and hungry style striker you've been clamouring for has a secret clause in his contract (it seems every player you dislike has this clause) in his contract, meaning he has to get game time. Oh, this after he'd been dropped from the first time. Conveniantly revealed to you in secret.

That's just what I remember from the top of my head.

Your arguments are made up at worst, heavily manipulated at best.

Wow I thought you were ignoring me that never lasted long or was it another childish attempt to castigate me.

Most of what you state is nothing what I stated.

So do me a favour please and use your ignore button.

 

[Beefy]

Wow I thought you were ignoring me that never lasted long or was it another childish attempt to castigate me.

How you can make thread titles like you do and reply to reasoned comments by respected members of this forum with "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" and the like and then accuse anyone else of being childish is beyond me. In one go you completely validate what Wes is saying about you.

Is this some sort of satire of posting? Are we being trolled by a Colchester fan?

We've got to the point where I look forward to us winning less for the three points it beings and more for the knowledge that you won't bother logging in for a week.

 

[Jam_Man]

Wow I thought you were ignoring me that never lasted long or was it another childish attempt to castigate me.

Most of what you state is nothing what I stated.

So do me a favour please and use your ignore button.

That reply sums up your posting style, someone replies with what to me looks like reasonable comment and rather than dispute it using facts you just post that.

What didnt you state?

Most of what he said is what I remember and a decent summation of your past 6 months.

You made a massive stink about Holman and we had a discussion at the time when I stated it was purely because of league level and you refused beyond logic to accept that and came up with all these reasons, like length of contract, dragging our feet etc Yet we since signed other players on 2 year deals and even paid 25k for Bolger.

From what I see you form opinions based on form and then just look for facts to fit your opinion at the time and ignore everything else.