Transfer News, Gossip & Speculation Transfer Rumours Thread 2024/25 - Time to Cook 👨‍🍳

[Holy Joe]

. It’s about getting players who are the best in the NL now

But don't want best NL wages! And therein lies the conundrum

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

Watching the performance yesterday it will need to be a long list many of our players still look like they are only good enough for National League North & South

You can tell we lost yesterday.

Had we won 2-1, instead of losing 2-1, we’d be saying how good all our players were. Football fans are fantastic, it’s always **** or bust isn’t it, no inbetween.

Can’t it be the players are good enough and had an off day, which we do quite often infront of big crowds.

 

[rshepp]

You can tell we lost yesterday.

Had we won 2-1, instead of losing 2-1, we’d be saying how good all our players were. Football fans are fantastic, it’s always **** or bust isn’t it, no inbetween.

Can’t it be the players are good enough and had an off day, which we do quite often infront of big crowds.

A bit harsh to say they are only good enough for a lower league.
Plenty of teams for us to beat and therefor stay up close to the top of the National League at the end of the season.
Only way to get promotion is to employ players from a higher level.
That will need a multi millionaire who needs a play thing.
Personally, I am happy with watching the National League. EFL would give me a heart attack.

 

[Rob1920]

I do think the day is going to come where COSU are going to have to either be prepared to up the budget & have a serious go at getting out of this league or accept the best we can hope for is an occasional go at the play-offs & gradually diminishing gates. The goodwill won’t last forever, while our competitors are paying what it takes to get the best talent available. It’s a tough business down here.

 

[sufc4life21]

You can tell we lost yesterday.

Had we won 2-1, instead of losing 2-1, we’d be saying how good all our players were. Football fans are fantastic, it’s always **** or bust isn’t it, no inbetween.

Can’t it be the players are good enough and had an off day, which we do quite often infront of big crowds.

Maybe the recruitment needs to improve going forward...... if we continue to sign players who haven't got mentality to play infront of big crowds then will just stand still. Can't expect the fans to keep paying there hard earned money to go up and down the country just to watch bunch of players not being able to perform due to pressure. Can't be 1 way street I'm afraid.

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

Maybe the recruitment needs to improve going forward...... if we continue to sign players who haven't got mentality to play infront of big crowds then will just stand still. Can't expect the fans to keep paying there hard earned money to go up and down the country just to watch bunch of players not being able to perform due to pressure. Can't be 1 way street I'm afraid.

That’s happened for years I’m afraid, nothing to do with the recruitment this time around.

Look at the games we’ve travelled in huge numbers in, and look at our record in them.

 

[sufc4life21]

I do think the day is going to come where COSU are going to have to either be prepared to up the budget & have a serious go at getting out of this league or accept the best we can hope for is an occasional go at the play-offs & gradually diminishing gates. The goodwill won’t last forever, while our competitors are paying what it takes to get the best talent available. It’s a tough business down here.

Unfortunately you have to invest to progress its always been that way in football and in life in general. If COSU want 7k plus week and be back in the EFL with bigger income streams they do have to invest in better quality of player. If they just rely on john still to sign few diamonds in the rough then Southend will stand still and crowds will fade away. 7k plus in the National is bloudy good and there argument that COSU need to match that expectation. Currently we have the biggest crowds in the league but the smallest squad, that really isn't great look to be honest.

 

[Holy Joe]

Maybe the recruitment needs to improve going forward...... if we continue to sign players who haven't got mentality to play infront of big crowds then will just stand still. Can't expect the fans to keep paying there hard earned money to go up and down the country just to watch bunch of players not being able to perform due to pressure. Can't be 1 way street I'm afraid.

But how do you know that in advance? If you're looking for young players on their way up, almost by definition they won't have experience of playing Infront of large crowds

 

[sufc4life21]

That’s happened for years I’m afraid, nothing to do with the recruitment this time around.

Look at the games we’ve travelled in huge numbers in, and look at our record in them.

It does have bit to do with the recruitment though because we signing the likes of morton and Waldron who clearly not up to it. No fault of there own there just not good enough and being able to handle the pressure. I guess the only way to solve this problem is to sign more players from the EFL instead of lads who used to playing infront of 1 man and his dog. I do agree we don't do well infront of big away crowds.

 

[sufc4life21]

But how do you know that in advance? If you're looking for young players on their way up, almost by definition they won't have experience of playing Infront of large crowds

Sign more players with EFL experience I guess. You do need those senior pros who can coach and advise younger players through games which should in theory help to develop there own game going forward.

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

It does have bit to do with the recruitment though because we signing the likes of morton and Waldron who clearly not up to it. No fault of there own there just not good enough and being able to handle the pressure. I guess the only way to solve this problem is to sign more players from the EFL instead of lads who used to playing infront of 1 man and his dog. I do agree we don't do well infront of big away crowds.

But we’ve had the experience EFL pros, players who have played top flight and still performed poorly.

As for suggesting we have to sign EFL players, people do realise that there is no guarantee that anyone we sign will be successful. We could sign the Real Madrid or Man City teams and that is no guarantee they’d work out for us.

EVERY SINGLE SIGNING WE MAKE IS A GAMBLE.

You can run all the algorithms you like, all the DD in the world, but that means nothing.

We do what we do with our recruitment and our DD to find out about the off the field stuff, their character, what makes them tick, what motivates them and so forth. But it doesn’t mean it will work out.

If there was a formula to ensure a signing would 100% work, everyone would do it.

I’m sure there are people on here who have recruited members of staff for their companies, or people that have picked partners, not everyone has worked out have they, and it’s the same principle.

 

[Hadleigh-shrimper]

You can tell we lost yesterday.

Had we won 2-1, instead of losing 2-1, we’d be saying how good all our players were. Football fans are fantastic, it’s always **** or bust isn’t it, no inbetween.

Can’t it be the players are good enough and had an off day, which we do quite often infront of big crowds.

Agreeed sensible post , so many over reactions to one favs in leauge

 

[Hadleigh-shrimper]

Sign more players with EFL experience I guess. You do need those senior pros who can coach and advise younger players through games which should in theory help to develop there own game going forward.

Same players would of come 5th last year need couple more but don’t panic

 

[bazzashrimper]

You can tell we lost yesterday.

Had we won 2-1, instead of losing 2-1, we’d be saying how good all our players were. Football fans are fantastic, it’s always **** or bust isn’t it, no inbetween.

Can’t it be the players are good enough and had an off day, which we do quite often infront of big crowds.

I don’t think they all had an off day, aside from Collin maybe. The defence looked fine (1 long range shot and a pull back for a penalty from a midfielder).

Noor played well, but tired quickly in the second half. The others were fine - aside from a few who shouldn’t be starters in a promotion chasing team.

We have a couple injured, good cover in defence (as shown yesterday) but need that similar cover up the pitch - certainly with 5 subs. We need a slightly bigger squad than we (should have had) last year.

 

[bluethroughandthrough]

Unfortunately you have to invest to progress its always been that way in football and in life in general. If COSU want 7k plus week and be back in the EFL with bigger income streams they do have to invest in better quality of player. If they just rely on john still to sign few diamonds in the rough then Southend will stand still and crowds will fade away. 7k plus in the National is bloudy good and there argument that COSU need to match that expectation. Currently we have the biggest crowds in the league but the smallest squad, that really isn't great look to be honest.

Or maybe a better manager

 

[Rob1920]

People keep referring to Morton and Waldron not being up to NL standard & blaming the recruitment process, but you have to look at how many targets were on the white board above those two who we lost out on. We were left with the best of the rest, which are probably average NL level. But we needed players, so what can you do? We’re definitely going to have to be prepared to spend more money to get the top targets moving forward.

 

[Thor1]

Agreeed sensible post , so many over reactions to one favs in leauge

I think it's more of a question of have we played well in any of our 4 games as opposed to a reaction to losing against 1 of the favourites. I think we are more than capable of top 8 and possibly top 6, but I wonder if we have lost a bit of that siege mentality we had last season?

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

Unfortunately you have to invest to progress its always been that way in football and in life in general. If COSU want 7k plus week and be back in the EFL with bigger income streams they do have to invest in better quality of player. If they just rely on john still to sign few diamonds in the rough then Southend will stand still and crowds will fade away. 7k plus in the National is bloudy good and there argument that COSU need to match that expectation. Currently we have the biggest crowds in the league but the smallest squad, that really isn't great look to be honest.

Imagine if they hadn’t spent £4 million before owning the club. Imagine if they got the club when they initially agreed heads of terms. Imagine if they took over a club that hadn’t let the stadium rot because the plan was to move. Imagine if they didn’t have to pay off creditors, HMRC and so on. Imagine if they didn’t have to sort out the new training ground that the previous owner had fumbled.

Perhaps they are cutting their cloth accordingly because they’ve spent a ****ing fortune just to try and put us on an even footing.

Maybe, rather than ****ing and Discussing after the back of a defeat, we dust ourselves off and focus on another big game tomorrow.

I thought the blame game would have stopped once RM left, but it’s just switched onto the budget, Maher & Still so far this weekend, and that’s from me not reading every thread. Oh, just remembered it’s Morton, Wood & Waldron’s fault too.

 

[HML]

We actually done really well to get Morton on paper so it can’t be classed as poor recruitment, had EFL interest

 

[Blues4LifeDan]

Imagine if they hadn’t spent £4 million before owning the club. Imagine if they got the club when they initially agreed heads of terms. Imagine if they took over a club that hadn’t let the stadium rot because the plan was to move. Imagine if they didn’t have to pay off creditors, HMRC and so on. Imagine if they didn’t have to sort out the new training ground that the previous owner had fumbled.

Perhaps they are cutting their cloth accordingly because they’ve spent a ****ing fortune just to try and put us on an even footing.

Maybe, rather than ****ing and Discussing after the back of a defeat, we dust ourselves off and focus on another big game tomorrow.

I thought the blame game would have stopped once RM left, but it’s just switched onto the budget, Maher & Still so far this weekend, and that’s from me not reading every thread. Oh, just remembered it’s Morton, Wood & Waldron’s fault too.

At least Bridge's step overs have been left alone for one week!