SMS Bailey, Clarke and Francis on the list

[southendutd1]

Bazza, Scannell, Walker, Barnard, Revell. Who else?


excluding flavs, macca, and gower due to contracts or most likely going...

 

[Medway Blue]

never trusted him from day one people will have a go at me for this but we used it before a few years back,
WE WANT MARTIN OUT

God. :headbang:

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

Indeed, and also makes you question again those tears of Peter Clarke's at Doncaster.

I think they were genuine to be honest because he clearly enjoys being here and was very disappointed not to be promoted. By all accounts he is now very settled in the area too. I don't think we should be criticising players for being insincere to be honest and I honestly believe that he, at any rate, will stay, presuming the club will allow him to.

 

[Southend_Lady]

I agree with what Ron has done but what gets to me is that no-one knows the facts yet still go aroud cursing each player who hasn't signed a contract. My view is that Bailey realised that he is the best player at the club and (probably on the advice of his agent) wants his wages to replicate that fact. Ron didn't take kindly to the fact that his players wanted to dictate their wages and placed them on the transfer list.

Its easy to say Bailey is a money grabbing **** and he thinks that he is bigger than the club but no-one knows if this is the case.

Good old agents. What does an agent know about footballing talent?! If money isn't the reason that Bailey didnt sign a contract then I would LOVE to know what it is.

Echo the comments about Barrett. What a true legend. Never a complaint and you wouldn't ever hear of this happening with him in a million years. Captain again this season for me. Barrett knows the meaning of loyalty, and it's players like him that are being forgotten about. All the billy big balls players are making a big fuss and Barrett just sits tight and waits for the next season. Don't see him getting offered a contract with improved terms. If I was Ron I'd be rewarding the players that know what the word loyalty means.

 

[Ozzer]

never trusted him from day one people will have a go at me for this but we used it before a few years back,
WE WANT MARTIN OUT

Not another one on the list please!

 

[Medway Blue]

I think they were genuine to be honest because he clearly enjoys being here and was very disappointed not to be promoted. By all accounts he is now very settled in the area too. I don't think we should be criticising players for being insincere to be honest and I honestly believe that he, at any rate, will stay, presuming the club will allow him to.

It's him that decides whther he stays or not with his wage demands. Back to the club being held to ransom again. If he is asking for more than the substantially bigger pay packet that he is offered and the club can't afford it or don't think he is worth it, then what can they do? Can't risk losing him on a free in a year's time. If HE wants to stay, then HE needs to lower his wage demands.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I think they were genuine to be honest because he clearly enjoys being here and was very disappointed not to be promoted. By all accounts he is now very settled in the area too. I don't think we should be criticising players for being insincere to be honest and I honestly believe that he, at any rate, will stay, presuming the club will allow him to.

I never doubted them at the time, but I know others did. I hope you're right and I look forward to the public eating of humble pie by any of those transfer listed because of contract negotiations falling through.

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

Don't see him getting offered a contract with improved terms. If I was Ron I'd be rewareding the players that know what the word loyalty means.

Didn't Sir Adam just sign a new 5 year contract earlier this year? I agree though, he's blue through and through and has shown true loyalty down the years and can never be accused of going missing when we're in trouble. :clap:

 

[C C Csiders]

Its true though. If my employer came to me after a year and said Hey sam you've being doing really well this year logging onto and contributing at regular intervals on ShrimperZone and we want to hand you this P45.

Corrected for a slightly more accurate scenario.

 

[Medway Blue]

I never doubted them at the time, but I know others did. I hope you're right and I look forward to the public eating of humble pie by any of those transfer listed because of contract negotiations falling through.

Possibly more tears because HE didn't get to play in the CCC again, rather than THE CLUB. Feeling sorry for himself probably, not the fans or the club. I'm not saying that's true or that I think that, just a different spin on it.

 

[Southend_Lady]

Corrected for a slightly more accurate scenario.

Ha well its quiet at the moment lol.

 

[southendutd1]

It's him that decides whther he stays or not with his wage demands. Back to the club being held to ransom again. If he is asking for more than the substantially bigger pay packet that he is offered and the club can't afford it or don't think he is worth it, then what can they do? Can't risk losing him on a free in a year's time. If HE wants to stay, then HE needs to lower his wage demands.

yea BUT if ron still wants to progress, and knowing the rate of how money is going in football know days Ron must know that in order to progress he is going to have to pay up.

 

[JoshC]

Good old agent. What does an agent know about footballing talent?! If money isn't the reason that Bailey didnt sign a contract then I would LOVE to know what it.

When did I say it wasn't about the money?? I'm not defending Bailey here I'm just saying it annoys me when people don't know the whole story but find it perfectly ok to blame everyone.

 

[sufcalways]

wow thats a shock.. our best players maybe? i mean our squad was tiny but what is it now. Yes ok they are great players and are guna want big money but you have to take risks. In Ron Martins case I think this is a huge risk.

Macca and Flavs havent signed new contracts so would that mean they have a chance of leaving.. If no one wants to play at the club then I take Ron Martins view of kicking them out.

Hopefully he will spend the money wisely and get some good loyal players in!

Good luck to wherever the players go and a massive good luck to Ron Martin, Tilly and Brush on getting in a whole new squad!!

 

[Medway Blue]

yea BUT if ron still wants to progress, and knowing the rate of how money is going in football know days Ron must know that in order to progress he is going to have to pay up.

It's a vicious circle. A club like this, £5m in debt and not likely to see finances improving till we go up and move to FF, will have a wage budget. Unfortunately, that has to be worked within to keep the club in good shape. We know what happened last time the club stopped doing that. Nearly went out of business. I am pretty sure that RM offered Bailey and Clarke what he could in line with the wage budget. In fact, if anything, he probably offered a little more than he should have done. Either that, or Clarke and Bailey demanded wages which would have blown the wage budget out of the water, and as much as I'm sure the club would like to do that, they can't, and RM probably knows that he can get replacements who are just as good on lower wages.

 

[southendutd1]

It's a vicious circle. A club like this, £5m in debt and not likely to see finances improving till we go up and move to FF, will have a wage budget. Unfortunately, that has to be worked within to keep the club in good shape. We know what happened last time the club stopped doing that. Nearly went out of business. I am pretty sure that RM offered Bailey and Clarke what he could in line with the wage budget. In fact, if anything, he probably offered a little more than he should have done. Either that, or Clarke and Bailey demanded wages which would have blown the wage budget out of the water, and as much as I'm sure the club would like to do that, they can't, and RM probably knows that he can get replacements who are just as good on lower wages.

Yea i see what ya saying....but we wont be able to stay in the championship and without sounding too optomistic maybe trying to gohigher our average wage needs to be higher than like 1.5k! and considering there our best players trying to replace them is going to cost money most likely and they are going to want around the same wages bailey, clarke and franno have asked for.

 

[Medway Blue]

Yea i see what ya saying....but we wont be able to stay in the championship and without sounding too optomistic maybe trying to gohigher our average wage needs to be higher than like 1.5k! and considering there our best players trying to replace them is going to cost money most likely and they are going to want around the same wages bailey, clarke and franno have asked for.

As I said though, he probably did offer them much higher wages, more than the wage budget would usually allow. I'd be surprised if he didn't. But a substantially bigger wage packet, higher than the wage budget should allow and higher than the vast majority of the players at the club, is STILL not enough for them, and we can't go any higher. I reckon that Clarkie's and Bailey's new wage packets would have put them on at least 2.5k....much more than that is too much for us.

 

[dloman]

When did I say it wasn't about the money?? I'm not defending Bailey here I'm just saying it annoys me when people don't know the whole story but find it perfectly ok to blame everyone.

Have to agree here because until the facts are known it is difficult to say who is at fault. At no point anywhere has it stated the duration of these improved deals, perhaps this was a stumbling block.

The wording of the statement on the OS has imo left the club open to further statements from the players and their agents possibly coming out and giving full details of the discussions.

Anyway i am not taking side just trying to see the whole picture

 

[northyorkshiresufc]

just a thought if they're sold what sort of money do you think we will a) be asking for them and B) get offered for them
thanks

 

[SUFCLiam]

In my opinion thats our 3 best players from last season. Gutted.

Im gutted as well best 3 players last year