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Brexit negotiations thread

In last weekends Sunday papers there was an article about how 150,000 Labour members have either left or have let their payments lapse, in the last year.

I guess that the nature of relying on snowflakes.

I mentioned this earlier (#5173)........a Channel 4 article, probably from the same source. The findings were challenged by Another S Shrimper. I think the gist of the article was that you have to wait (about 18 months in the future) to know the real level of membership now.
 
Have I got this right?

You don't favour another referendum now because it will delegitimise the 2016 result and in turn undermine democracy but if JC doesn't get his way with regard to a GE before 2022 you're all in favour of it?

So, we leave the EU and then in Spring of 2021, because there hasn't been a GE, we have another referendum to see if we want to rejoin?

Or, to put it another way. How can you have a referendum in Spring 2021 to see if we want to leave the EU when we've already left due to the result of a referendum held in 2016 which you agree should be respected.

Absolutely staggering.........

In fairness, I don't think Barna is in favour but believes that, if Labour can't get their desired General Election, it could be an option the Labour Party could pursue. IF they did get their early poll, I was wondering whether their Election Manifesto would be entitled 'Everything is on the Table?' :Smile::Winking:
 
I mentioned this earlier (#5173)........a Channel 4 article, probably from the same source. The findings were challenged by Another S Shrimper. I think the gist of the article was that you have to wait (about 18 months in the future) to know the real level of membership now.

You could of course just count up the number of of subscriptions payed this month and you would know the exact current figure.

Sounds like Dianne Abbott came up with the 18 month nonsense.
 
In last weekends Sunday papers there was an article about how 150,000 Labour members have either left or have let their payments lapse, in the last year.

I guess that the nature of relying on snowflakes.
The article was complete nonsense. It would be a good idea to establish reliable sources of information before posting utter rubbish. Fairly basic
 
Sky have had a poll which shows 68% believe the Queen right to have made her comments, apparently relating to Brexit.

https://news.sky.com/story/britons-...age-amid-brexit-crisis-sky-data-poll-11617545

Perhaps it would have been interesting to have had a follow-up question about how many believe her comments will actually have any effect of bringing people together. That may prove rather more difficult.

The country isn't divided. 80% believe in Democracy and 20% don't.
 
In fairness, I don't think Barna is in favour but believes that, if Labour can't get their desired General Election, it could be an option the Labour Party could pursue. IF they did get their early poll, I was wondering whether their Election Manifesto would be entitled 'Everything is on the Table?' :Smile::Winking:

"Personally, I'm not in favour, as I think that would delegitimise the June 2016 referendum result.However, If Labour can't force a general election before 2022, then I believe it's a viable option"

Of course it's an option NOW but it can't be an option sometime down the line before 2022 because we'd have left already. When exactly does Barna think it's a viable option?
 
As a former treasurer of a branch of the Labour Party I am familiar with the membership information as sent to constituency parties each month,. There is is a built in period of six months grace during which time the CLP can make contact with lapsed members and arrabge renewal of membership. Any other comments on this subject are either ill informed or playing to an ajenda hostile to Labour.
 
The article was complete nonsense. It would be a good idea to establish reliable sources of information before posting utter rubbish. Fairly basic

What article, have you read it?

Your always demanding a reliable source but it never meets your standard. Remember the racist attack on the soldier. That was reported widely in the Mirror. As was the unprovoked attack by 3 muslims on another young white lad in the same town.

You still haven't apologised after sounding off on here.
 
As a former treasurer of a branch of the Labour Party I am familiar with the membership information as sent to constituency parties each month,. There is is a built in period of six months grace during which time the CLP can make contact with lapsed members and arrabge renewal of membership. Any other comments on this subject are either ill informed or playing to an ajenda hostile to Labour.

I would have had doubts but it was a Channel 4 Fact Check.............I believed (maybe wrongly???) that channel is a little more even handed in politics.
 
In true Monty Python stylie............

What have the EU ever done for us? Well........

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU loan.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU support, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU support

British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU support, rather than Britain.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU support.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using EU finance for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU ‘regeneration’ grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.

Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say it's not financially viable and are going to bill the UK taxpayer for something in the region of £2.5b in monies already spent and lost revenue.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it was Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the could see the end of British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc.

Then there is the betrayal of Britain’s fishing to the European Union and now Spanish fishing fleets are over fishing our fishing grounds.

Then we had black Wednesday…….Black Wednesday occurred in the United Kingdom on 16 September 1992, when John Major’s Conservative government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) after it was unable to keep the pound above its agreed lower limit in the ERM. In 1997, the UK Treasury estimated the cost of Black Wednesday at £3.4 billion. Choice, keep sterling at a level that's detrimental to the UK economy of leave and pay the costs in lost income.
 
I would have had doubts but it was a Channel 4 Fact Check.............I believed (maybe wrongly???) that channel is a little more even handed in politics.


Only when reporting on the tories it would seem. As you can see, one wrong word on here about a link to Labour and you are in line for being put up against the wall.
 
In true Monty Python stylie............

What have the EU ever done for us? Well........

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU loan.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU support, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU support

British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU support, rather than Britain.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU support.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using EU finance for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU ‘regeneration’ grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.

Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say it's not financially viable and are going to bill the UK taxpayer for something in the region of £2.5b in monies already spent and lost revenue.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it was Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the could see the end of British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc.

Then there is the betrayal of Britain’s fishing to the European Union and now Spanish fishing fleets are over fishing our fishing grounds.

Then we had black Wednesday…….Black Wednesday occurred in the United Kingdom on 16 September 1992, when John Major’s Conservative government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) after it was unable to keep the pound above its agreed lower limit in the ERM. In 1997, the UK Treasury estimated the cost of Black Wednesday at £3.4 billion. Choice, keep sterling at a level that's detrimental to the UK economy of leave and pay the costs in lost income.

Can't wait to see the remainers try and reply to this one. Great Work Mr B
 
Can't wait to see the remainers try and reply to this one. Great Work Mr B

Is anyone prepared to give the time to reply??? We're a service industry based economy, aren't we? We don't produce very much any more (didn't Thatcher see to that?)........although we are apparently very good at producing people who, with the enthusiastic backing of Trump and Putin, trash Europe at every opportunity.
 
Is anyone prepared to give the time to reply??? We're a service industry based economy, aren't we? We don't produce very much any more (didn't Thatcher see to that?)........although we are apparently very good at producing people who, with the enthusiastic backing of Trump and Putin, trash Europe at every opportunity.

Bingo..... Blame Thatcher, suggest Brexit voters must back Putin etc. Divert thread at all costs....Above all do not attempt an answer.
 
Is anyone prepared to give the time to reply??? We're a service industry based economy, aren't we? We don't produce very much any more (didn't Thatcher see to that?)........although we are apparently very good at producing people who, with the enthusiastic backing of Trump and Putin, trash Europe at every opportunity.

I am hoping this is not a serious reply. If it is I despair.
 
Bingo..... Blame Thatcher, suggest Brexit voters must back Putin etc. Divert thread at all costs....Above all do not attempt an answer.

If I had the inclination to reply, I certainly don't have the time............as I indicated. Where do I suggest Brexit voters must back Putin? I've suggested that both Putin and Trump, who view Europe at best as a competitor and worst as an enemy, are delighted to see any fragmentation and disunity. Both are enthusiatic supporters of Brexit. Perhaps you should think well on that..................and why?
 

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