Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Haha that lasted long, all of 34 minutes



£10 says you post on this thread again....

Napster would like the £10 to go to Shelter - but obviously he can't post on this thread to make that known!

 

[Swiss Tony]

Just coming back to make a few final points.

Italy has been part of the EU since 1957. So yes, they have - in fact the immediate post war economy was very favourable for Italy.

Britain has not been affected as much as Germany because we don't have that large a manufacturing base.

Anyway, we would have to agree to disagree on the other points. I'm out again.

Your Frank Sinatra and I claim my Fiver,welcome back .

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46996180

Now even Queenie wants Brits to find some "common ground" over Brexit.

 

[Blueronron]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46996180

Now even Queenie wants Brits to find some "common ground" over Brexit.

That's her German instinct kicking in, needs a bolt hole, when the revolution takes over the country

 

[Bielzibubz]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46996180

Now even Queenie wants Brits to find some "common ground" over Brexit.

I think anyone with a sane mind and a modicum of common sense wants that too.

My question is, is she talking about common ground between our political factions of between the UK and Brussels? If it's the latter then I'm afraid it's an impossible ask. Brussels, or should I say the EU, don't want a common ground found. They want the UK to remain, end of.

It's OK, I already know the answer to my own question. It's the former. But, that too could be an equally impossible ask. The no deal Brexit option cannot be removed from any negotiations. To do so would open the door wide for those that want us to remain a part of the EU to sabotage the process at each stage until that becomes the only possible outcome. JC needs to stop using this whole sorry saga as a political means to an end, enter talks to try and find some of that common ground and worry about removing TM from power at a later stage. All that matters now is fulfilling the will of the people and enacting the result of the June 2016 referendum.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

POINTLESS?
What a strange country Great Britain is. Only there could a speech at Sandringham Women's Institute make national news. Well, it was by some woman called Elizabeth who believes people should speak well of each other and be "respecting different points of view; coming together to seek out the common ground." Reportedly, she then went on to play 'Pointless' with the other members. In view of Brexit, wasn't that rather apt????

 

[GBJ]

Napster would like the £10 to go to Shelter - but obviously he can't post on this thread to make that known!

I’d love to take you’re word for it mate, but I need to see it written by the man himself....


.....in this thread

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

JCB don't fund the Tories out of the goodness of their hearts, Essentially it's buying the government.

Why does anyone donate to a political party?
This argument is particularly pointless - it's not corrupt, you just don't like the Tory party.

 

[blues exile]

Why does anyone donate to a political party?
This argument is particularly pointless - it's not corrupt, you just don't like the Tory party.

If you don't recognise that this is a way of buying influence, what is there to say. Fortunately, the Labour Party being the largest political party in Europe is funded by its members and does not have to prostitute itself to big business or shady oligarchs.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46996180

Now even Queenie wants Brits to find some "common ground" over Brexit.

To be fair, that is probably the one thing where everyone is in agreement It's just doing it which seems to be beyond e

If you don't recognise that this is a way of buying influence, what is there to say. Fortunately, the Labour Party being the largest political party in Europe is funded by its members and does not have to prostitute itself to big business or shady oligarchs.

Er, the Unions? McCluskey is the shadiest ‘oligarch’ (your word) there is

 

[blues exile]

To be fair, that is probably the one thing where everyone is in agreement It's just doing it which seems to be beyond e


Er, the Unions? McCluskey is the shadiest ‘oligarch’
McCluskey is of course a democratically elected leader so rather worryingly you show little understanding of the definition of the word oligarch. Still, I suppose at least you didn't use the Daily Mail favourite, union baron so that's something. Do you not think workers should be allowed to contribute to the party that was founded to represent them?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46999458

Wishful thinking Phil.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think anyone with a sane mind and a modicum of common sense wants that too.

My question is, is she talking about common ground between our political factions of between the UK and Brussels? If it's the latter then I'm afraid it's an impossible ask. Brussels, or should I say the EU, don't want a common ground found. They want the UK to remain, end of.

It's OK, I already know the answer to my own question. It's the former. But, that too could be an equally impossible ask. The no deal Brexit option cannot be removed from any negotiations. To do so would open the door wide for those that want us to remain a part of the EU to sabotage the process at each stage until that becomes the only possible outcome. JC needs to stop using this whole sorry saga as a political means to an end, enter talks to try and find some of that common ground and worry about removing TM from power at a later stage. All that matters now is fulfilling the will of the people and enacting the result of the June 2016 referendum.

It might be, by Parliament next Tuesday.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

To be fair, that is probably the one thing where everyone is in agreement It's just doing it which seems to be beyond e


Er, the Unions? McCluskey is the shadiest ‘oligarch’ (your word) there is

With half a million members (like me) contributing funds the Trade Unions are not as important a source of income to Labour as they once were.Though of course Unite and other unions can always be relied upon to cough up to fight a general election held at short notice,as in 2017

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

If you don't recognise that this is a way of buying influence, what is there to say. Fortunately, the Labour Party being the largest political party in Europe is funded by its members and does not have to prostitute itself to big business or shady oligarchs.

now there's a challenge.
at work at mo but don't worry I'll get back to you on that one!

 

[Bielzibubz]

It might be, by Parliament next Tuesday.

Not as easy as some imagine and certainly not a given........interesting article here..

Linky Thingy

 

[rigsby]

In last weekends Sunday papers there was an article about how 150,000 Labour members have either left or have let their payments lapse, in the last year.

I guess that the nature of relying on snowflakes.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not as easy as some imagine and certainly not a given........interesting article here..

Linky Thingy

Not "easy" clearly but certainly "possible" as the article you linked to confirms ,which is precisely why I suggested Parliament might remove a no-deal Brexit from negociations next Tuesday.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

In last weekends Sunday papers there was an article about how 150,000 Labour members have either left or have let their payments lapse, in the last year.

I guess that the nature of relying on snowflakes.

Some of the "snowflakes" you mention, apparently want Labour to back another referendum.Personally, I'm not in favour, as I think that would delegitimise the June 2016 referendum result.However, If Labour can't force a general election before 2022, then I believe it's a viable option.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Some of the "snowflakes" you mention, apparently want Labour to back another referendum.Personally, I'm not in favour, as I think that would delegitimise the June 2016 referendum result.However, If Labour can't force a general election before 2022, then I believe it's a viable option.

Have I got this right?

You don't favour another referendum now because it will delegitimise the 2016 result and in turn undermine democracy but if JC doesn't get his way with regard to a GE before 2022 you're all in favour of it?

So, we leave the EU and then in Spring of 2021, because there hasn't been a GE, we have another referendum to see if we want to rejoin?

Or, to put it another way. How can you have a referendum in Spring 2021 to see if we want to leave the EU when we've already left due to the result of a referendum held in 2016 which you agree should be respected.

Absolutely staggering.........