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Brexit negotiations thread

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Bielzibubz said:
As I've said many times before *** I'm neither left nor right. I've voted Labour before, I've voted Tory before. I don't and never have nailed my political colours to any one mast or the other. If Labour had a centre left leader in opposition with a good track record and he surrounded himself with like minded individuals that put country before party then I'd do as I've done before, be more inclined to vote for that person. I have always, and will continue to vote, for whoever I believe puts forward the best prospects for myself and my loved ones futures.

Throughout my 36 odd years of being eligible to vote I have always done that and it's always done alright by me and those closest to me.
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Fair enough. You talk the talk of the right often so I forget you aren't a nailed on rightie.
 
Granted a lot of my stuff does and that's because there is such an extreme on the opposite side. I can't be bothered to find the thread now but I've said before there are 'one or two' social policies of JC's that I actually agree with and there are also some of TM's that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

For me JC and his acolytes are the problem. Not the 'party'
 
Bielzibubz said:
Granted a lot of my stuff does and that's because there is such an extreme on the opposite side. I can't be bothered to find the thread now but I've said before there are 'one or two' social policies of JC's that I actually agree with and there are also some of TM's that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

For me JC and his acolytes are the problem. Not the 'party'
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The Labour 2017 manifesto was very different to what has been on offer for many years but not in anyway extreme. I think Corbyn has shown a number of times that he will be pragmatic with his core ideology and also that within party policy it's a group decision not his.
 
Bielzibubz said:
Granted a lot of my stuff does and that's because there is such an extreme on the opposite side. I can't be bothered to find the thread now but I've said before there are 'one or two' social policies of JC's that I actually agree with and there are also some of TM's that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

For me JC and his acolytes are the problem. Not the 'party'
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You and many others,(who presumably voted for Blair back in the day),need to take on board that the Labour party has changed. It was largely because of Labour's 2017 manifesto (and the incompetence of the Tories under Mrs May and Cameron's and Osborne's austerity policies after 2010) that Labour so nearly won last time around. Next time they will win,either in 2022 or before, even if it's only with SNP support.

Ps.There's only one "party".And it's not Labour. :Winking:
 
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The legal advise is to be published around 11.30am. If it is made public can someone either post it up or provide a link.

Thanks
 
It’s inevitable that May’s plan will be thrown out in emphatic fashion next week, so what happens next?

Surely the only remaining option is to have a people’s vote, with only two options; leave with no deal, or remain

If this is the best deal we’re going to get (which is debatable) then there’s absolutely no point in doing a deal, we might aswell leave without, or remain

Can’t see any other way forward.
 
GBJ said:
It’s inevitable that May’s plan will be thrown out in emphatic fashion next week, so what happens next?

Surely the only remaining option is to have a people’s vote, with only two options; leave with no deal, or remain

If this is the best deal we’re going to get (which is debatable) then there’s absolutely no point in doing a deal, we might aswell leave without, or remain

Can’t see any other way forward.
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Agreed. Suspend Article 50 for 3-6 months and do it all over again. Lets hope we have some cold hard facts to consider rather than project fear from both sides.
 
MK Shrimper said:
Agreed. Suspend Article 50 for 3-6 months and do it all over again. Lets hope we have some cold hard facts to consider rather than project fear from both sides.
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Can’t fault this logic.

Although I’d be surprised if they could find some reputable figures to argue the case for either side.
 
No one seems to be talking about a no deal Brexit now, that just seems to have vanished off the table. Mays deal wont get through and my gut feeling is we will just end up remaining. They will never let us have a vote now or if they did it would only be remain or the crap deal. Cant help but think there has been some shrewd manoeuvring with this to get to this outcome.
 
pottster said:
No one seems to be talking about a no deal Brexit now, that just seems to have vanished off the table. Mays deal wont get through and my gut feeling is we will just end up remaining. They will never let us have a vote now or if they did it would only be remain or the crap deal. Cant help but think there has been some shrewd manoeuvring with this to get to this outcome.
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Nah, it’s just that no deal isn’t a realistic option. At least not in the time frame. It would take 5-10 years to set up alternate systems, infrastructure etc and that’s assuming somebody competent was at DxEU rather than the Brexiteers Davis and Raab.

Instead of cheering May recklessly serving Article 50, Brexiteers should have been planning for this.

You haven’t been screwed by May, you’ve been screwed by Johnson, Davis, Fox, Farage etc.
 
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