Brexit negotiations thread

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Most, you said it yourself. Not all. it certainly hasn't worked for the UK in certain respects. And France? Are you serious. Have you not seen the problems unfettered mass migration has caused there. Oh wait, silly me. You have. You just choose to ignore it. Much like you do many other things that don't fit into your myopic and idealistic political views.

France is on the cusp of national turmoil due to the rise of the far right. Much of which can be attributed on the unhindered migration and failed social integration of peoples from all nations, especially sub Saharan Africa.

I get it. I really do. I get why your all butt hurt at the rise of your political anathema throughout Europe but seriously, just try and take a step back and see why. What we're seeing now is a culmination of over 40 years political ineptitude and shortsightedness in believing that cultures and peoples can happily co-exist and integrate on a mass scale. The writing has been on the wall for a generation now only a very few could see it and when they did dare to voice a concern they were forever labelled as racist and bigoted.

What is happening in France at the moment is deeply worrying and complex. IMO its origins (les gilets jaune) have as much to do with the 2008 financial crash as the problem of mass immigration. It's always been, for historical reasons, the tendence for french people to take their protests and grievences out onto the street. What started as a simple protest against rising petrol/diesel taxes has morphed into a multi-headed protest movement, whose demands, from some sectors, now extend to what amounts to insurrection. The situation has been seized upon by factions of the extreme left and particularly the extreme right to serve their own agendas. What worries me in particular is the maintained support for this movement with the general public, in spite of tha terrible events of the weekend. For me there needs to be a clear differentiation between those who wish to protest peacefully in airing their grievences and those who wish to undermine and destroy the very values of the Republique.
Apparently communication between the government and pacific organisers of the gilets jaune have been hampered by death threats to the latter by the extreme elements. Maybe the focus of the security services have been so focussed on muslim extremists that they have paid less attention to the poisonous threat which is far closer to home. The enemy within always presents a larger and more profound danger than any external menace. The government appears seriously rattled and have the extremely difficult task of dealing with a very serious situation without wanting to over react.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Theresa May has somehow managed to make a bad hand even worse.

Tonight the Speaker has ruled that the government must release their legal advice tonight, or face a vote in Parliament to decide if the government are in contempt of Parliament tomorrow. If the vote doesn't go their way there could be an MP or some MPs that are suspended - potentially reducing her numbers on 11th.

She keeps trying to suppress Parliament and in doing so it keeps disrupting the route to Brexit.

She is a **** up merchant.

 

[Member]

She's absolutely ****ed

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

She's absolutely ****ed

at least this is an interesting twist, I was thinking the wait for the 11th was going to get boring, same blah blah every day just running down the clock, this is a new nail for the coffin!

 

[Member]

at least this is an interesting twist, I was thinking the wait for the 11th was going to get boring, same blah blah every day just running down the clock, this is a new nail for the coffin!

the idea that she's tried to bury damaging information on her deal is bad for all sides of this issue. leavers (who haven't yet noticed this isn't the brexit they were looking) will be furious. Remainers and labour across the board will see this as another step towards a GE as she loses even more support.

I was wondering earlier, who are her genuine allies in the tory party? she seems completely at sea. Even those vocal about their support are clearly just biding their time.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

the idea that she's tried to bury damaging information on her deal is bad for all sides of this issue. leavers (who haven't yet noticed this isn't the brexit they were looking) will be furious. Remainers and labour across the board will see this as another step towards a GE as she loses even more support.

I was wondering earlier, who are her genuine allies in the tory party? she seems completely at sea. Even those vocal about their support are clearly just biding their time.

Loyal to her - Brandon Lewis and James Cleverly - but they are both simpletons, literally I'm gobsmacked by the things they put out on social media. Liddington - but he is in the firing line for suspension tomorrow. Gove - for now, because when she is ditched he can play the loyalty card, nothing genuine about him.

Roll on tomorrow.

 

[Napster]

the idea that she's tried to bury damaging information on her deal is bad for all sides of this issue. leavers (who haven't yet noticed this isn't the brexit they were looking) will be furious. Remainers and labour across the board will see this as another step towards a GE as she loses even more support.

I was wondering earlier, who are her genuine allies in the tory party? she seems completely at sea. Even those vocal about their support are clearly just biding their time.

Damian Green but he’s been very quiet

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

What is happening in France at the moment is deeply worrying and complex. IMO its origins (les gilets jaune) have as much to do with the 2008 financial crash as the problem of mass immigration. It's always been, for historical reasons, the tendence for french people to take their protests and grievences out onto the street. What started as a simple protest against rising petrol/diesel taxes has morphed into a multi-headed protest movement, whose demands, from some sectors, now extend to what amounts to insurrection. The situation has been seized upon by factions of the extreme left and particularly the extreme right to serve their own agendas. What worries me in particular is the maintained support for this movement with the general public, in spite of tha terrible events of the weekend. For me there needs to be a clear differentiation between those who wish to protest peacefully in airing their grievences and those who wish to undermine and destroy the very values of the Republique.
Apparently communication between the government and pacific organisers of the gilets jaune have been hampered by death threats to the latter by the extreme elements. Maybe the focus of the security services have been so focussed on muslim extremists that they have paid less attention to the poisonous threat which is far closer to home. The enemy within always presents a larger and more profound danger than any external menace. The government appears seriously rattled and have the extremely difficult task of dealing with a very serious situation without wanting to over react.

Interesting but I really strayed 'a little' off topic. Don't know if mods can transfer this post to the 'RAS BOL! The Yellow Vest Brigade' thread, where I would be happy to continue communicating on the subject.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Advocate General of European Court’s opinion states Article 50 is unilaterally revocable.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Advocate General of European Court’s opinion states Article 50 is unilaterally revocable.

It provides us with another escape route from the mess we find ourselves and confirms an avenue should we be given a second referendum and the vote was remain. Unfortunately, it doesn't offer a solution for how the country can reconcile its deep division..........sadly, I doubt whether there is a soulution for that.

 

[MK Shrimper]

It provides us with another escape route from the mess we find ourselves and confirms an avenue should we be given a second referendum and the vote was remain. Unfortunately, it doesn't offer a solution for how the country can reconcile its deep division..........sadly, I doubt whether there is a soulution for that.

2nd civil war anyone? I'd imagine Rees-Mogg & Bojo will be Cavaliers.

 

[kaymac]

Advocate General of European Court’s opinion states Article 50 is unilaterally revocable.

Well what a surprise, eh? Who would have thought that and it's only taken him 2 years to think of it.... woweee, how impressive.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Unfortunately IF, and it's a big if, TM get's the boot or resigns and there is another GE we the poor electorate have a stark choice between the completely inept, lieing and spineless shower of shyte currently at the helm and those utterly clueless and dangerous fools that sit on the other side of the political spectrum.

Although it goes against a lot of what I fervently believe in I really have only two choices. Don't vote at all (not really a choice) or hope against hope that the Tories can put forward someone that I can actually have a little faith in because nothing, absolutely NOTHING, will ever allow me to put a cross next to JC's name on a ballot box.

What an awful dilemma.........Tread in dog shyte or pick it up with your bare hands!

 

[Napster]

Unfortunately IF, and it's a big if, TM get's the boot or resigns and there is another GE we the poor electorate have a stark choice between the completely inept, lieing and spineless shower of shyte currently at the helm and those utterly clueless and dangerous fools that sit on the other side of the political spectrum.

Although it goes against a lot of what I fervently believe in I really have only two choices. Don't vote at all (not really a choice) or hope against hope that the Tories can put forward someone that I can actually have a little faith in because nothing, absolutely NOTHING, will ever allow me to put a cross next to JC's name on a ballot box.

What an awful dilemma.........Tread in dog shyte or pick it up with your bare hands!

fortunately we still vote for our local MP rather than the leader of the party.

 

[rigsby]

fortunately we still vote for our local MP rather than the leader of the party.

What if your local MP is David Amess?

 

[Napster]

What if your local MP is David Amess?

it's not thank God. Vile man.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Damian Green but he’s been very quiet

Today he was one of 26 Tory rebels voting against the government - so he is off the 'loyal to May' list now too.
She may lose more if there are suspensions from the contempt result.
Her grip looks more tenuous by the day.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Unfortunately IF, and it's a big if, TM get's the boot or resigns and there is another GE we the poor electorate have a stark choice between the completely inept, lieing and spineless shower of shyte currently at the helm and those utterly clueless and dangerous fools that sit on the other side of the political spectrum.

Although it goes against a lot of what I fervently believe in I really have only two choices. Don't vote at all (not really a choice) or hope against hope that the Tories can put forward someone that I can actually have a little faith in because nothing, absolutely NOTHING, will ever allow me to put a cross next to JC's name on a ballot box.

What an awful dilemma.........Tread in dog shyte or pick it up with your bare hands!

it truly is a horrible time to be a right winger

 

[Bielzibubz]

it truly is a horrible time to be a right winger

As I've said many times before *** I'm neither left nor right. I've voted Labour before, I've voted Tory before. I don't and never have nailed my political colours to any one mast or the other. If Labour had a centre left leader in opposition with a good track record and he surrounded himself with like minded individuals that put country before party then I'd do as I've done before, be more inclined to vote for that person. I have always, and will continue to vote, for whoever I believe puts forward the best prospects for myself and my loved ones futures.

Throughout my 36 odd years of being eligible to vote I have always done that and it's always done alright by me and those closest to me.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Unfortunately IF, and it's a big if, TM get's the boot or resigns and there is another GE we the poor electorate have a stark choice between the completely inept, lieing and spineless shower of shyte currently at the helm and those utterly clueless and dangerous fools that sit on the other side of the political spectrum.

Although it goes against a lot of what I fervently believe in I really have only two choices. Don't vote at all (not really a choice) or hope against hope that the Tories can put forward someone that I can actually have a little faith in because nothing, absolutely NOTHING, will ever allow me to put a cross next to JC's name on a ballot box.

What an awful dilemma.........Tread in dog shyte or pick it up with your bare hands!

Haven’t often agreed with you on this thread but on this I do.

Amply demonstrated by IDS who is now asking a question.