Brexit negotiations thread

[Tangled up in Blue]

I, for one, voted leave for reasons other than the economy. I think some things are more important than money so I was prepared to take a hit economically to achieve freedom from the clutches of the EU.
I don't suppose I was the only one.

I'm sure you remember Clinton's famous phrase:- "It's the economy, stupid." That's certainly what motivates most people.

 

[rigsby]

I'm sure you remember Clinton's famous phrase:- "It's the economy, stupid." That's certainly what motivates most people.

I don't remember the phrase, but I do remember you being more worried that yourself and the good lady wife might have to use separate ques at passport control.,,,,Thats right you might.

I dare say Clinton would call that extremely stupid.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

It's an independent governmant report backed by the Chancellor.How much more "official" than that do you want?

"Brexit will make us poorer, government forecasts warn"


"That is the conclusion of a cross-departmental government 15-year forecast."


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46370528

As a government official, I am pretty clear that forecasts are not facts. Reports into the past or current government policy, or future government policy proposals, are official. Forecasts, based on assumptions and subject to many unconscious biases are 'officially produced' but not 'official' as in policy or fact.

 

[RHB]

As a government official, I am pretty clear that forecasts are not facts. Reports into the past or current government policy, or future government policy proposals, are official. Forecasts, based on assumptions and subject to many unconscious biases are 'officially produced' but not 'official' as in policy or fact.

......end of!

 

[CC51DAS]

Anyone know how a forecast can allow for say, the collapse and bale-out of Italy and/or Greece etc over the next 15 years. Or the accession of other currently non=EU countries?

And, IIUC, the UK is predicted to be less well off not worse off i.e. the economy will grow less rapidly?

(Would love to be able to make an informed opinion)

 

[dcblue]

I'm sure you remember Clinton's famous phrase:- "It's the economy, stupid." That's certainly what motivates most people.

No don't remember it, but then again the only thing I remember him for was nothing to do with politics.

 

[RHB]

No don't remember it, but then again the only thing I remember him for was nothing to do with politics.

Monica, is that you?

 

[dcblue]

Monica, is that you?

Sorry can't talk now my mouth is full.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Sorry can't talk now my mouth is full.

Wash your bastid dresses in future!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46377309

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...o-deal-brexit-would-be-worse-than-2008-crisis


Now even the Bank of England has warned that leaving the EU without a deal could be worse for the UK than the 2008 crisis.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

After May's deal is thrown out of Parliament - if Labour can't force a General Election then they will back a new referendum:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46373787

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

As a government official, I am pretty clear that forecasts are not facts. Reports into the past or current government policy, or future government policy proposals, are official. Forecasts, based on assumptions and subject to many unconscious biases are 'officially produced' but not 'official' as in policy or fact.

These are not government forecasts,they're government analyses,based on the modelling of different economic scenarios.

 

[rigsby]

These are not government forecasts,they're government analyses,based on the modelling of different economic scenarios.

By the same people who warned if we never joined the Euro we would be living in caves within 10 years...….Turns out they were 100% wrong and if we had been daft enough not to see through them we would all be far worse off.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

By the same people who warned if we never joined the Euro we would be living in caves within 10 years...….Turns out they were 100% wrong and if we had been daft enough not to see through them we would all be far worse off.

Even you will no doubt have noticed we're not due to leave the EU until 29th March 2019. I'd say any post Brexit forecasts start from 30th March 2019.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

By the same people who warned if we never joined the Euro we would be living in caves within 10 years...….Turns out they were 100% wrong and if we had been daft enough not to see through them we would all be far worse off.

do you have a link to that information, there was a debate about joining the Euro but I don't recall the information you speak of.

 

[dcblue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46377309

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...o-deal-brexit-would-be-worse-than-2008-crisis


Now even the Bank of England has warned that leaving the EU without a deal could be worse for the UK than the 2008 crisis.

Yeah, but didn't he say, many times, it was the worst case scenario. Where was his best brexit scenario case. He is, without doubt, a remainer puppet, originally employed by that staunch pro EU muppet Osborne.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

These are not government forecasts,they're government analyses,based on the modelling of different economic scenarios.

Analyses of the future are called forecasts

 

[Bielzibubz]

Yeah, but didn't he say, many times, it was the worst case scenario. Where was his best brexit scenario case. He is, without doubt, a remainer puppet, originally employed by that staunch pro EU muppet Osborne.

Exactly this 100%

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Analyses of the future are called forecasts

I’m fairly sure the quote you used in 1000000 point font included the word ‘forecasts’, which gave a hint to their thinking on this point

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

I'm sure you remember Clinton's famous phrase:- "It's the economy, stupid." That's certainly what motivates most people.

If only that was the correct quote.