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Brexit negotiations thread

The best option is no deal, You would get the sack for that deal.

With the return of your Liberal party to split the remain vote the only thing the Tories (in fact all MP's) are interested in, is the next GE. The next Tory leader will be promising a better deal because Brexit is never going to end. You must of sussed that once ReMAYner was forced into the job.


The usual suspects on here are deluding themselves about JC. Every day he sits on the fence he leaks his true agenda, helped of course by his biggest fans.
I can see why somebody with your opinion would think that, it is after all leaving the EU properly. Something that May's deal doesn't really do.
I know you have certainly made your mind up but not every leave voter would have had your hardline stance on the matter and no deal would not be what they thought they were voting for, neither would May's deal.

As for the rest of your post, I really think we have to see how things play out re Brexit because IMO the differing outcomes change the game going forward. I couldn't predict who will win the next GE, all I do suspect is Red or Blue and neither will get a majority.
 
I can see why somebody with your opinion would think that, it is after all leaving the EU properly. Something that May's deal doesn't really do.
I know you have certainly made your mind up but not every leave voter would have had your hardline stance on the matter and no deal would not be what they thought they were voting for, neither would May's deal.

As for the rest of your post, I really think we have to see how things play out re Brexit because IMO the differing outcomes change the game going forward. I couldn't predict who will win the next GE, all I do suspect is Red or Blue and neither will get a majority.

For all the calls on here, from some quarters, for a General Election, I really can't see how that is going to solve the problem of Brexit. In fact, I agree with you, that an election would prove indecisive and risk complicating even more, the mess in which we find ourselves.
As we all know roughly which side of the Brexit line we stand, perhaps it could be more fruitful, rather than carry on the bickering, to look at the possible scenarios come December the 11th. The Guardian proposes these possible eventualities ...........

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ext-if-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-is-voted-down

I really think the question is no longer if but when her deal is rejected. The important factor is maybe the size of her defeat. If it were small, she may be emboldened to try and tweak it a little and represent it in the hope of gaining the extra votes she requires. The possible shock to the markets may make some MP's think twice about voting the deal down a second time. The worry for May (very justified in my opinion) is that the deal will be heavily defeated. If the vote was thought to be on a knife edge, I'm sure many could be persuaded to hold their noses and support it................but it's not. Thus MP's will feel freer to express their dislike for it, knowing that it won't be just them who have caused its defeat. A large defeat beckons. In that case, I can't see anything else but May resigning, how could she carry on?
The Tories would then descend into a leadership contest, (that may not be very pretty!) they would want, at all costs to avoid a General Election and could claim, with some justification, that it would solve little regarding Brexit. Yet this is not the way it was meant to be. Cert, the Tories wished to ditch May before the next election but that was surely planned after she had taken the hot potato of Brexit through to some kind of a conclusion. Who on earth would want to come in and pick up the problem of untangling ourselves from the present toxic mess??? A senior, 'safe pair of hands' may be a (temporary) solution.
Given this scenario we would probably apply to the EU to postpone Brexit (I think this is possible) so as to give us time to sort things out. Seeing no agreed solution coming from parliament it is possible to see the new Tory leader, not shackled by May's dogma, offering it back to the people in another referendum. It could happen like this...................but don't ask me to bet my house on it! :Smile:
 
Trump slating May's deal has made a lot of the front pages so seemingly newspaper editors see that as significant news too.

Because the public, like you, lap up idiotic stories like that, some because they're just too damn thick to see beyond it for what it is and some because it suits their political ideals at that particular time. The editors and main stream media bosses are just giving out what the majority want. He was quoted as say something along the lines of 'if you look at the deal it seems the UK may not be able to trade with us'......... 100% he hasn't even looked at the front page let alone read any of the 536 pages. And neither have the people closest to him. It's a soundbite. It was said to cause exactly what it has. A bit of overseas media coverage. It makes him feel like he knows what he's doing and talking about when in truth he hasn't got a scooby soddin doo what the EU/Brexit deal contains and nor does he care.
 
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Because the public, like you, lap up idiotic stories like that, some because they're just too damn thick to see beyond it for what it is and some because it suits their political ideals at that particular time. The editors and main stream media bosses are just giving out what the majority want. He was quoted as say something along the lines of 'if you look at the deal it seems the UK may not be able to trade with us'......... 100% he hasn't even looked at the front page let alone read any of the 536 pages. And neither have the people closest to him. It's a soundbite. It was said to cause exactly what it has. A bit of overseas media coverage. It makes him feel like he knows what he's doing and talking about when in truth he hasn't got a scooby soddin doo what the EU/Brexit deal contains and nor does he care.

That is the most sensible thing you've said on this thread. He's not read 536 pages of anything in his life.
 
Because the public, like you, lap up idiotic stories like that, some because they're just too damn thick to see beyond it for what it is and some because it suits their political ideals at that particular time. The editors and main stream media bosses are just giving out what the majority want. He was quoted as say something along the lines of 'if you look at the deal it seems the UK may not be able to trade with us'......... 100% he hasn't even looked at the front page let alone read any of the 536 pages. And neither have the people closest to him. It's a soundbite. It was said to cause exactly what it has. A bit of overseas media coverage. It makes him feel like he knows what he's doing and talking about when in truth he hasn't got a scooby soddin doo what the EU/Brexit deal contains and nor does he care.

Feel free to stick your insults up your arse along with your heightened opinion of yourself.
Millions of people can see through Trump's bull**** and the misinformation of headlines - don't think you are something special, most people are capable of seeing the blatantly obvious.



It's newsworthy because he is the leader of the free world and he is joining the pile on of May's deal. That is all.





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Feel free to stick your insults up your arse along with your heightened opinion of yourself.
Millions of people can see through Trump's bull**** and the misinformation of headlines - don't think you are something special, most people are capable of seeing the blatantly obvious.



It's newsworthy because he is the leader of the free world and he is joining the pile on of May's deal. That is all.





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So, let me get this straight. You know it's complete bullcrap and not worth airtime yet you quoted it purely in order to have a pop at May, no other reason. Thank you. As I thought.

Oh, and for the record. I lumped you into the second reason, not the first (political ideals) Why you saw that as an insult is anyones guess.
 
So, let me get this straight. You know it's complete bullcrap and not worth airtime yet you quoted it purely in order to have a pop at May, no other reason. Thank you. As I thought.

Oh, and for the record. I lumped you into the second reason, not the first (political ideals) Why you saw that as an insult is anyones guess.

It's newsworthy because he is the leader of the free world and he is joining the pile on of May's deal. That is all.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46366162

It's official .We'll be economically worse off under any Brexit scenario.including Mrs May's plan, according to Philip Hammond. Did people really vote for that? :Facepalm:

Who cares about Spain.

In Britain we will have £300b a year to spend as the EU no longer want our custom. For any young person out there, this will be your greatest opportunity you will ever have. Best you don't listen to selfish, politically motivated remainers who want to spoil your future.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46366162

It's official .We'll be economically worse off under any Brexit scenario.including Mrs May's plan, according to Philip Hammond. Did people really vote for that? :Facepalm:

I, for one, voted leave for reasons other than the economy. I think some things are more important than money so I was prepared to take a hit economically to achieve freedom from the clutches of the EU.
I don't suppose I was the only one.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46366162

It's official .We'll be economically worse off under any Brexit scenario.including Mrs May's plan, according to Philip Hammond. Did people really vote for that? :Facepalm:

That is not official, it is a long term economic forecast based on many assumptions - by officials. This probably wasn't your intention, but 'It's official' implies fact whereas this is not fact yet. It is someone's guess, based on assumptions about what growth might be in future years and what in their opinion that growth might reduce by if we are not in the EU. The big elephant in the room, apart from the complete impossibility of accurately forecasting future growth even a month ahead let alone more than a decade - is that no benefit at all is assumed by any new trading relationships with non-EU countries or through investments in skills or infrastructure.

Pinch of salt time, I'm afraid.
 
That is not official, it is a long term economic forecast based on many assumptions - by officials. This probably wasn't your intention, but 'It's official' implies fact whereas this is not fact yet. It is someone's guess, based on assumptions about what growth might be in future years and what in their opinion that growth might reduce by if we are not in the EU. The big elephant in the room, apart from the complete impossibility of accurately forecasting future growth even a month ahead let alone more than a decade - is that no benefit or cost at all is assumed by any improved/weakened trading relationships with non-EU countries or through increased/decreased investments in skills or infrastructure.

Pinch of salt time, I'm afraid.
fixed that for you... the future could go both ways. As part of the EU we've received billions in infrastructure and skills investments.
 
A couple of posts above are a bit too near (or indeed across) the line as regards rules. Please be respectful everyone - disagree vehemently if you need to but agree to disagree, don’t slate each other please.
 
fixed that for you... the future could go both ways. As part of the EU we've received billions in infrastructure and skills investments.

Once we leave of course we can invest even more in infrastructure and skills because not only wont we be handing it to corrupt EU officials to squander on unfinished projects in places like Greece and Italy. We could use UK companies rather than ones from the EU.
 
Once we leave of course we can invest even more in infrastructure and skills because not only wont we be handing it to corrupt EU officials to squander on unfinished projects in places like Greece and Italy. We could use UK companies rather than ones from the EU.
rather use the best company for the job, irrespective of where they come from
 
rather use the best company for the job, irrespective of where they come from

Shame the EU didn't think like you. Even if your a small wine producer and you don't use their 'approved ' list for even things like damaging fertilizer they stop your subsidy.
 
That is not official, it is a long term economic forecast based on many assumptions - by officials. This probably wasn't your intention, but 'It's official' implies fact whereas this is not fact yet. It is someone's guess, based on assumptions about what growth might be in future years and what in their opinion that growth might reduce by if we are not in the EU. The big elephant in the room, apart from the complete impossibility of accurately forecasting future growth even a month ahead let alone more than a decade - is that no benefit at all is assumed by any new trading relationships with non-EU countries or through investments in skills or infrastructure.

Pinch of salt time, I'm afraid.

It's an independent governmant report backed by the Chancellor.How much more "official" than that do you want?

"Brexit will make us poorer, government forecasts warn"


"That is the conclusion of a cross-departmental government 15-year forecast."


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46370528
 

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