Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Brexit: Trump says May's Brexit plan could hurt UK-US trade deal


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46352463

 

[Bielzibubz]

It really has come to something when you resort to quoting Trump to try and make a point, and in bigger than normal type too, as if to emphasise the point.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It really has come to something when you resort to quoting Trump to try and make a point, and in bigger than normal type too, as if to emphasise the point.

the narrative is that we leave the EU and start cutting deals with the rest of the world. US is the obvious go to place for that so their president saying it's not going to work like that is significant.

I just copied and pasted it from BBC news site at nearly 1am. That's the size it came out and I didn't feel the need to fiddle around to change it.

President of US saying Brexit will hit UK-US trade at the point when we are discussing the only EU deal on the table is news as it's unhelpful to May.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It really has come to something when you resort to quoting Trump to try and make a point, and in bigger than normal type too, as if to emphasise the point.

Trump slating May's deal has made a lot of the front pages so seemingly newspaper editors see that as significant news too.

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

in your view, is no deal a better option over the next 20 years than remain?

Yes, because that's democracy. Leave won, so we leave.

 

[Ricky Otto]

There's an old saying "If your vote actually changed anything, you wouldn't be allowed one". As the last 2 years have proved that is very true.

Older people 50+ who didn't vote last time tell me they would vote leave because of the behaviour of the EU and our own politicians and they clear fact that the doomsday predictions of project fear have proved laughable. I have however met more people who voted leave but say they wont vote if we have another referendum, simple because they think what's the point. Its certainly not because they want to remain and will look at the so called 'far right' as an alternative.

That's ridiculous.

Of course it could have been worded

1) leave
2) remain only because our politicians are to incompetent and self serving to sort a deal out, even if you do vote leave.

The sort of people who voted leave know that all the rest is nonsense. The laughable bit is remain cant sell the EU to anyone so they have resorted to "We have to stay because we cant sort out the paper work.,

The laughable bit is that brexiteers think that the EU would give in to Boris Johnson or Rees-Mogg and accept a deal that is more detrimental to them. Super Canada is pie in the sky as the EU would never agree to it, there is a reason why Boris cowered away from leading brexit.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think it's inevitable.

I don't but I'd love to be proved wrong.

 

[dcblue]

the narrative is that we leave the EU and start cutting deals with the rest of the world. US is the obvious go to place for that so their president saying it's not going to work like that is significant.

I just copied and pasted it from BBC news site at nearly 1am. That's the size it came out and I didn't feel the need to fiddle around to change it.

President of US saying Brexit will hit UK-US trade at the point when we are discussing the only EU deal on the table is news as it's unhelpful to May.

Trump seems to agree with majority of people that May's deal is awful and the only winner is the EU. Don't really think this is startling news.

 

[GBJ]

May is fooling herself if she thinks her deal is getting through Parliament

Is she though? I mean, do you honestly believe she is totally oblivious to what’s going on?

The way I currently see it, is that the Tories as a party, are hanging by a thread. Public support for them has plummeted & they face the real possibility of losing power for a very, very long time.

I don’t wanna go all conspiracy theory, but it’s possible that this attitude/stance/approach from May, could be damage limitations. She knows the deal won’t get passed. She knows that a election is on the cards, and she knows that labour will win. It’s not ideal from the Tories, but limiting the time they are out of power would now be essential.

Therefore, in a Tory’s perspective & mindset... Labour gain control, fail to make the situation better, and possibly make it even worse, leaving the door ajar for a a new face to step in & say, “Look what’s happened with Labour. We weren’t perfect, but this lot have royaly ****ed it up. Give us another chance & we’ll solve all the problems for you”.

I guess it comes down to whether you believe that May & her party have the nations best interest at hearts, or whether they’re all in it for either themselves or their party’s interests.

Simple question. If on the referendum ballot paper of 2016 there had been two choices.

1) Remain in the EU
2) Leave the EU without a deal

what do you think the result would have been?

More pertinently, what would be the outcome, if the nation were asked to vote with those options, today.

It's not been ignored, the two main parties accepted the result, unfortunately the party in power have spent two year arguing among themselves and managed to make leaving unworkable. I doubt that was their intention its just a result of their lack of ability.

I’m not denying your point, as I do tend to agree with it, but I think it’s worth pointing out that we never had an actual Brexiteer running the show. For the entire duration, the negotiations & internal politics were headed up by a remainer.

That might not be a big deal to a lot of people, but I’d be willing to bet that it’d certainly mean a lot to a large portion of those who voted in favour of Brexit.

Would it have made a difference? Who knows.


Edit: still haven’t got the hang of this new multiquoting function

 

[dcblue]

Ricky, the so called 'far right' is now any party to the right of tory. As they are now almost 'new labour' what is the alfernative. At present there is only UKIP and For Britain and with large numbers feeling betrayed where else do they go. Of course not voting is an option but if either of the above is standing I will vote for them.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Trump seems to agree with majority of people that May's deal is awful and the only winner is the EU. Don't really think this is startling news.

with him it kind of is, you never know what he will say

 

[GBJ]

The laughable bit is that brexiteers think that the EU would give in to Boris Johnson or Rees-Mogg and accept a deal that is more detrimental to them.

I could be wrong here, but I don’t think (the majority?) of Brexiteers are even bothered by a deal now. They’d be happy to leave without one, so long as we leave.


May won’t leave without a deal. JRM would. That’s the point.

 

[rigsby]

That's ridiculous.

Really you could start by having chat in the Lloyds building.


The laughable bit is that brexiteers think that the EU would give in to Boris Johnson or Rees-Mogg and accept a deal that is more detrimental to them. Super Canada is pie in the sky as the EU would never agree to it, there is a reason why Boris cowered away from leading brexit.

The best option is no deal, You would get the sack for that deal.

With the return of your Liberal party to split the remain vote the only thing the Tories (in fact all MP's) are interested in, is the next GE. The next Tory leader will be promising a better deal because Brexit is never going to end. You must of sussed that once ReMAYner was forced into the job.


The usual suspects on here are deluding themselves about JC. Every day he sits on the fence he leaks his true agenda, helped of course by his biggest fans.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Is she though? I mean, do you honestly believe she is totally oblivious to what’s going on?

The way I currently see it, is that the Tories as a party, are hanging by a thread. Public support for them has plummeted & they face the real possibility of losing power for a very, very long time.

I don’t wanna go all conspiracy theory, but it’s possible that this attitude/stance/approach from May, could be damage limitations. She knows the deal won’t get passed. She knows that a election is on the cards, and she knows that labour will win. It’s not ideal from the Tories, but limiting the time they are out of power would now be essential.

Therefore, in a Tory’s perspective & mindset... Labour gain control, fail to make the situation better, and possibly make it even worse, leaving the door ajar for a a new face to step in & say, “Look what’s happened with Labour. We weren’t perfect, but this lot have royaly ****ed it up. Give us another chance & we’ll solve all the problems for you”.

I guess it comes down to whether you believe that May & her party have the nations best interest at hearts, or whether they’re all in it for either themselves or their party’s interests.

As far as I can tell May is trying to be all things to all people. Brexit is impossible to do without severly impacting the country financially.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I could be wrong here, but I don’t think (the majority?) of Brexiteers are even bothered by a deal now. They’d be happy to leave without one, so long as we leave.


May won’t leave without a deal. JRM would. That’s the point.

And JRM is a millionaire who's moved all of his business to Ireland. Does that not stink of hypocrisy and goes to show that the only people who will gain from Brexit are the already vastly wealthy like JRM, Gove, Johnson and Aaron Banks.

 

[GBJ]

As far as I can tell May is trying to be all things to all people. Brexit is impossible to do without severly impacting the country financially.

Do you think she’s being noble with her choices & decision making though?

The clamour for (at least) a people’s vote is incredibly vociferous, to the point it’s become deafening in some quarters. I’d go as far as saying that on the whole, demand for another vote of some sort, has overtaken the demand for Brexit, at least in its current form.

If myself, a person who voted for Brexit, can identify that, then she definitely can.

Yet she plows on with this bonkers deal, which absolutely nobody - including the EU - want.

There’s something strange about that.

And JRM is a millionaire who's moved all of his business to Ireland. Does that not stink of hypocrisy and goes to show that the only people who will gain from Brexit are the already vastly wealthy like JRM, Gove, Johnson and Aaron Banks.

I’m not advocating him. Merely pointing out why he is often thrown into the mix.

 

[rigsby]

you are jumping around a bit on this - its disgraceful that there was a need for our government to be taken to court to ensure that Parliament were involved in the biggest political process in decades - disgraceful.

'Tommy' - why do you see everything through the prism of one violent football thug? Do you feel like you get some cred for dropping his name into unconnected conversations the whole time?
Apparently has recently bought a million + house in Bedfordshire - presumably from donations - does he even have a job? Is he still running tanning shops or is it just moaning on a Canadian website that is his official employment? I've always represented myself whenever I have had legal dealings, he should do the same as all of his convictions seem straight forward, the legal donations are very lucrative though.

You will do anything to avoid the question over Gina Miller. Apart of course her unforgivable crime of praising an Evil Tory woman.....In my experience the Left have a real problem with women, you only have to read the comments about May on the zone to see that.


I'm pleased your keeping a close eye on Tommy. Maybe you could offer some of your legal advice. The cost of his false imprisonment is down to the government and the price we all have to pay for exposing 1m rapes in Britain.....That's right it is estimated that because multiple victims were raped multiple time the mainly muslim Pakistani rape squads are responsible for 1,000,000 rapes.

The Labour party obviously want to cover it up that's why they sacked Sarah Champion. Which is why we have Brexit. Remoan all you like but the Great British are sick of spineless politicians and their shrill activists.

The dangerously deluded think the 'peoples vote' will sweep JC into power and we are all going to live happily ever after. For those of you who have your doubts about Brexit think where Britian would be if that happened...….The very last place real business would want to come.....It truly would be the disaster project fear have predicted.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

You will do anything to avoid the question over Gina Miller. Apart of course her unforgivable crime of praising an Evil Tory woman.....In my experience the Left have a real problem with women, you only have to read the comments about May on the zone to see that.


I'm pleased your keeping a close eye on Tommy. Maybe you could offer some of your legal advice. The cost of his false imprisonment is down to the government and the price we all have to pay for exposing 1m rapes in Britain.....That's right it is estimated that because multiple victims were raped multiple time the mainly muslim Pakistani rape squads are responsible for 1,000,000 rapes.

The Labour party obviously want to cover it up that's why they sacked Sarah Champion. Which is why we have Brexit. Remoan all you like but the Great British are sick of spineless politicians and their shrill activists.

The dangerously deluded think the 'peoples vote' will sweep JC into power and we are all going to live happily ever after. For those of you who have your doubts about Brexit think where Britian would be if that happened...….The very last place real business would want to come.....It truly would be the disaster project fear have predicted.

I haven't avoided the Miller question you just don't like my answer.

If the government are being undemocratic I don't care if Soros funds a court case to make them democratic. Good on him.

'Tommy' had exposed nothing other than the thuggery of his chums. His only input of rape trials is to interrupt and risk mistrials. Maybe start a new 'Tommy' thread if you want to keep idolising him.

As I have said many many times anyone who turned a blind eye to rape should be prosecuted. Be careful though as UKIP had to pay large compensation bill to a group of Labour MPs for implying they were guilty of collusion.

The soon to be announced General Election will put Corbyn in power not a People's Vote.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

You will do anything to avoid the question over Gina Miller. Apart of course her unforgivable crime of praising an Evil Tory woman.....In my experience the Left have a real problem with women, you only have to read the comments about May on the zone to see that.


I'm pleased your keeping a close eye on Tommy. Maybe you could offer some of your legal advice. The cost of his false imprisonment is down to the government and the price we all have to pay for exposing 1m rapes in Britain.....That's right it is estimated that because multiple victims were raped multiple time the mainly muslim Pakistani rape squads are responsible for 1,000,000 rapes.

The Labour party obviously want to cover it up that's why they sacked Sarah Champion. Which is why we have Brexit. Remoan all you like but the Great British are sick of spineless politicians and their shrill activists.

The dangerously deluded think the 'peoples vote' will sweep JC into power and we are all going to live happily ever after. For those of you who have your doubts about Brexit think where Britian would be if that happened...….The very last place real business would want to come.....It truly would be the disaster project fear have predicted.

the Left are pro equality. Please flag up the sexist comments about May from Leftists on the zone or withdraw that comment.

 

[Ricky Otto]

I could be wrong here, but I don’t think (the majority?) of Brexiteers are even bothered by a deal now. They’d be happy to leave without one, so long as we leave.


May won’t leave without a deal. JRM would. That’s the point.

Boris certainly still believes a better deal is achievable and seems to think it's simple to get a super Canada deal. JRM does seem to be happy to leave without a deal though. I think it's pretty split down the middle from what I can see. But like you think, I could also be wrong.