Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[Southend Elvis]

Someone said on another thread. DW that's why he shouldn't start etc.
Put yourself in his shoes, knows clearly that he's out a job at the end of the season, by the way he's not getting match time when others not cutting it. No match fitness due to no reserve matches, confidence on the floor through being overlooked.
This tells me all I need to know about player management, you don't have to know football to realise that if you treat people like that, you aren't going to get the best out of them. The times he must have been ready to do his bit, then fail to get on.
Wouldn't it have been better to loan him out for a month or so, to see what we have. Playing against your own team in training surely can't be the same as playing against other sides.
GW is the next player who may suffer, hopefully if we can't get into the playoffs, he will give DW a chance to show what he can do....probably won't.
I think KM has a problem with players who's surnames start with a W....

 

[South Bank Hank]

There’s been quite a few games where we’ve “gone for it” .. Charlton, FGR, Solihull, Daggers away.

I remember Fylde away too.

Well yeah… but apart from Charlton, FGR, Solihull, Daggers, Fylde…

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Well yeah… but apart from Charlton, FGR, Solihull, Daggers, Fylde…

Shall I finish this?

 

[NZamba Legend]

Someone said on another thread. DW that's why he shouldn't start etc.
Put yourself in his shoes, knows clearly that he's out a job at the end of the season, by the way he's not getting match time when others not cutting it. No match fitness due to no reserve matches, confidence on the floor through being overlooked.
This tells me all I need to know about player management, you don't have to know football to realise that if you treat people like that, you aren't going to get the best out of them. The times he must have been ready to do his bit, then fail to get on.
Wouldn't it have been better to loan him out for a month or so, to see what we have. Playing against your own team in training surely can't be the same as playing against other sides.
GW is the next player who may suffer, hopefully if we can't get into the playoffs, he will give DW a chance to show what he can do....probably won't.
I think KM has a problem with players whose surnames start with a W....

I thought we were supposed be not accepting of mediocrity but here you are suggesting we become a charitable organisation for Danny Waldron.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

We've drawn 13 games this season. I don't think in any one of them we've taken risks and gone for the win - throwing an extra forward on - leaving ourselves short at the back - etc. We always prioritise securing a single point over going for 3.
There's only 1 promotion slot from this league - everything else is the lottery of the play offs. Until we start setting up to WIN games, we're not going to go up. And that's why, whilst I appreciate what he's done for the club, I don't think we'll ever get promoted with Maher in charge - he simply doesn't go after wins.
A few weeks ago when we'd scraped wins against Braintree etc there was much clamour on here saying a playoff charge was 'on'. I said at the time that we'd drop too many points between then and the end of the season and so it has proved. We're always going to be also-rans until we start committing to WINNING games.

Our last draw was literally because we were caught on the counterattack with too many men upfield trying to make it 3-1.

The draw before that was a centre-half equalising in injury time.

The draw before that he brought on an extra forward in an attempt to push for the win.

The draw before that was an 84th minute equaliser when we definitely pushed on to try and get the win.


Maybe there are some examples earlier this season where he didn’t push for the win (away at Woking when we were down to 10 men would be one) but did we actually have the forwards to bring on to push for the win? I can’t remember many games when we had unused forwards on the bench. Particularly first half of the season our attacking players struggled to last 90 minutes and needed to be replaced as they were clearly flagging.

Hartlepool away we pressed for the win. Wealdstone away was a last minute equaliser. Forest Green at home he went three up front. Daggers at home was a last minute equaliser. York at home they equalised with 5 minutes to go, just after he’d brought Waldron on for Coker. At Oldham our subs on the bench to choose from were Hillson, Wind, KAF (his debut), Wood, Faulkner and MacDonald.

I think that leaves Hartlepool at home (he brought on Kendall, Coker and Bonne after 64 minutes) and Aldershot away (Bridge came on before the hour).

So which specific games are you referring to?

 

[Southend Elvis]

I thought we were supposed be not accepting of mediocrity but here you are suggesting we become a charitable organisation for Danny Waldron.

Not at all, but to expect him to turn it on when he's only given minutes here and there is surely not how you deal with someone. I'm wondering if he still has what it takes, as he could be the answer to our striking dilemmas.
Others are given many chances to shine yet KM doesn't with certain players. I don't think it's how you should treat our players, we don't have many of them, and KM brought them all in. When he leaves at the end of the season he will not make us any money. We should try and enhance our players value, not decimate it.

 

[Southend Elvis]

I thought we were supposed be not accepting of mediocrity but here you are suggesting we become a charitable organisation for Danny Waldron.

If you was an up and coming striker, and Southend and another club come in for you offering the same terms, would you not look at what's gone before with other players and football style. I'm sure it will be considered.

 

[Liam AAS]

If you was an up and coming striker, and Southend and another club come in for you offering the same terms, would you not look at what's gone before with other players and football style. I'm sure it will be considered.

We want players that have the attitude of "I can be the difference maker for this club" not players that think "blimey, their forwards don't get a lot of goals, do they?"

 

[Southend Elvis]

We want players that have the attitude of "I can be the difference maker for this club" not players that think "blimey, their forwards don't get a lot of goals, do they?"

Not really, you would look at all different aspects surely. If your agent sees that strikers have come here after scoring plenty for a previous club, and left without given chance or scoring many, that would be considered. If you had a striker leave to go to a club higher up, you would think you could be nurtured there.
If a firm wanted you, but only supplied you with crap tools or equipment, you would think again.

 

[bazzashrimper]

Not at all, but to expect him to turn it on when he's only given minutes here and there is surely not how you deal with someone. I'm wondering if he still has what it takes, as he could be the answer to our striking dilemmas.
Others are given many chances to shine yet KM doesn't with certain players. I don't think it's how you should treat our players, we don't have many of them, and KM brought them all in. When he leaves at the end of the season he will not make us any money. We should try and enhance our players value, not decimate it.

He sees them in training though. If he doesn’t think he’s good enough he shouldn’t play him. Yes he signed him, but there is risk in any recruitment in life - it doesn’t always go to plan.

 

[BEERMONSTER]

Someone said on another thread. DW that's why he shouldn't start etc.
Put yourself in his shoes, knows clearly that he's out a job at the end of the season, by the way he's not getting match time when others not cutting it. No match fitness due to no reserve matches, confidence on the floor through being overlooked.
This tells me all I need to know about player management, you don't have to know football to realise that if you treat people like that, you aren't going to get the best out of them. The times he must have been ready to do his bit, then fail to get on.
Wouldn't it have been better to loan him out for a month or so, to see what we have. Playing against your own team in training surely can't be the same as playing against other sides.
GW is the next player who may suffer, hopefully if we can't get into the playoffs, he will give DW a chance to show what he can do....probably won't.
I think KM has a problem with players who's surnames start with a W....

I think it's unfortunately a simple case that DW doesn't have what it takes to be a full time professional footballer. All credit to the guy for giving it a go but although the spirit is willing the body is weak. Let me quantify that, despite all the physical strength and condition work no doubt undertaken there are no guarantees that the required core body fitness levels will be reached to meet the demands of being a pro footballer, many a good technical and skillful player has not made the grade due to their body limits.
DW is late to the pro game, his pathway is one of below NL level semi pro footballer without even the benefits of a youth or academy background to draw on.
I dont believe KM has a downer on him but is influenced by what he sees in training and what feedback he gets from the Sports Science guys. Let's be honest it's only due to others absence that a space on the bench has been his of late.
It's a shame on both sides that it's not worked out but it is what it is.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Not really, you would look at all different aspects surely. If your agent sees that strikers have come here after scoring plenty for a previous club, and left without given chance or scoring many, that would be considered. If you had a striker leave to go to a club higher up, you would think you could be nurtured there.
If a firm wanted you, but only supplied you with crap tools or equipment, you would think again.

So the fact that our right wingback has 15 goals from open play by early March; that Bim Pepple scored and earned a move up to L2; that Harry a Cardwell scored more for us than he has for Forest Green etc means that forwards will be falling over themselves to join us and will turn down Forest Green?

 

[South Bank Hank]

If a firm wanted you, but only supplied you with crap tools or equipment, you would think again.

Good point. Thankfully Kevin has decided to stick around anyway. Excited to see what he does with a set of tools that are up to the job.

But the other point still stands. If your £400 professional hammer drill is struggling to do a job, even if the junior apprentice is boring everyone by repeatedly demanding that they give his £15 Lidl screwdriver a go, it’s probably worth sticking with the main unit while it works through the problem.

 

[Southend Elvis]

So the fact that our right wingback has 15 goals from open play by early March; that Bim Pepple scored and earned a move up to L2; that Harry a Cardwell scored more for us than he has for Forest Green etc means that forwards will be falling over themselves to join us and will turn down Forest Green?

What about our current forwards, also Bim is hardly down to us, he was a loanee from divisions above. I'll give you HC, but Gus is a different case being a wing back and a bit of an enigma. I'm not saying DW is the answer, but it's how he is treated and not given a fair crack of the whip.

 

[BriggBlue]

I think it's unfortunately a simple case that DW doesn't have what it takes to be a full time professional footballer. All credit to the guy for giving it a go but although the spirit is willing the body is weak. Let me quantify that, despite all the physical strength and condition work no doubt undertaken there are no guarantees that the required core body fitness levels will be reached to meet the demands of being a pro footballer, many a good technical and skillful player has not made the grade due to their body limits.
DW is late to the pro game, his pathway is one of below NL level semi pro footballer without even the benefits of a youth or academy background to draw on.
I dont believe KM has a downer on him but is influenced by what he sees in training and what feedback he gets from the Sports Science guys. Let's be honest it's only due to others absence that a space on the bench has been his of late.
It's a shame on both sides that it's not worked out but it is what it is.

I said this in an earlier post, people underestimate just what it takes to be a professional athlete at any level both physically and mentally.

It is no slight on Danny that he couldn't step up and he should be very proud that he gave it a go, scored some goals and hopefully tried his very very best.

Callum Powell had the absolute mentality to be a pro, Danny has the ability. We can all see where the difference that both aspects bring, again both were worth a try in the position we were in.

Hopefully our next phase will see us signing players that have both and are proven to have both.

 

[Thundersley Blue]

What about our current forwards, also Bim is hardly down to us, he was a loanee from divisions above. I'll give you HC, but Gus is a different case being a wing back and a bit of an enigma. I'm not saying DW is the answer, but it's how he is treated and not given a fair crack of the whip.

Bim might have arrived from Luton, but his senior career in this country amounted to 11 games for Grimsby, 6 for Bromley and 13 for Inverness, during which time he scored just once. Hardly divisions above !! Please check facts. Bim's improvement has been very much down to us.
Danny Waldron has had chances mostly last season, this year he has again been injured for a long period. He is definitely not a better player than our other forwards. I would imagine a decision has already been made on him by the Football Department and he will most likely go back to part time football.

 

[onceknownasrab]

We do not need to move KM on. I advocated for him to go IF he would not change the way we play. We are currently on a goodish run of form and it's no coincidence that we are getting the ball forward quicker. We are gaining points and scoring goals. I don't really care too much about formations, although I always hate one up top, but I do like to see us taking the game to the opposition and getting in and beyond their defenders before they have time to get back and park the bus.

We wasted too many opportunities earlier in the season to take games by the scruff of the neck, playing sideways and backwards. Possession is only good if it results in an end product. For us that was rare. Stats about crosses into the box were nonsense, they didn't find our players or lead to numerous shots on target. Basically the crosses were a pass to the opposition and a gift.

We look brighter now.

In essence the changes, positive changes that Maher has made, have been scuppered in part by a lot of individual errors on the pitch and some poor in-play decisions by the players. Those are beyond the managers control. The quicker to the front style appears to suit the players and they will win more than they lose. The added confidence and experience of playing this way, will likely reduce the errors. Playing the way we do now, finally, gives us a great deal more hope for next season.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Bim might have arrived from Luton, but his senior career in this country amounted to 11 games for Grimsby, 6 for Bromley and 13 for Inverness, during which time he scored just once. Hardly divisions above !! Please check facts. Bim's improvement has been very much down to us.
Danny Waldron has had chances mostly last season, this year he has again been injured for a long period. He is definitely not a better player than our other forwards. I would imagine a decision has already been made on him by the Football Department and he will most likely go back to part time football.

Bim had the tools and probably the biggest help we gave him was a run of games that allowed him to hone his skill set. I suspect he also learnt a lot from Bonne who could be seen coaching/coaxing him whenever they were on the pitch together.

 

[Danshrimper]

What about our current forwards, also Bim is hardly down to us, he was a loanee from divisions above. I'll give you HC, but Gus is a different case being a wing back and a bit of an enigma. I'm not saying DW is the answer, but it's how he is treated and not given a fair crack of the whip.

He has played nearly 30 games for the club and his performances have never really indicated that he is good enough for this level. How much more of a crack of the whip do you think he is entitled to and why?

Have you considered that there’s a reason Rushall Olympic was the best club he had played for before us when he’s 28? We took a punt, and it didn’t pay off. It’s a shame, but we don’t owe him game time because of it.

To demand that he is given game time over our other strikers, who are clearly better, is ridiculous.

 

[BriggBlue]

He has played nearly 30 games for the club and his performances have never really indicated that he is good enough for this level. How much more of a crack of the whip do you think he is entitled to and why?

Have you considered that there’s a reason Rushall Olympic was the best club he had played for before us when he’s 28? We took a punt, and it didn’t pay off. It’s a shame, but we don’t owe him game time because of it.

To demand that he is given game time over our other strikers, who are clearly better, is ridiculous.

Exactly, one of them had a ceiling of Rushall Olympic, the other reached L1 with Charlton.