Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[* ORM *]

I said this in an earlier post, people underestimate just what it takes to be a professional athlete at any level both physically and mentally.

It is no slight on Danny that he couldn't step up and he should be very proud that he gave it a go, scored some goals and hopefully tried his very very best.

Callum Powell had the absolute mentality to be a pro, Danny has the ability. We can all see where the difference that both aspects bring, again both were worth a try in the position we were in.

Hopefully our next phase will see us signing players that have both and are proven to have both.

The first sentence is the most accurate and concise insight into where fans understating of issues lies.

 

[Southend Elvis]

Exactly, one of them had a ceiling of Rushall Olympic, the other reached L1 with Charlton.

He had scored 20+ in the season before he came, Bonne was far off the mark when he came to us. Bonne is given every chance even without producing the goods, we don't know what DW can do because we don't have a reserve side.
Again I'm not saying he's the answer, but he needs to be given a go.
Wouldn't it be great if we could improve players who come to us. I wouldn't say any of this if we were doing better this season, but we are where we are, so questions are asked. The forum goes quite when we do well, because there's nothing to talk about, all is good.
Hopefully the forum will go quite again

 

[Avl1983]

Our last draw was literally because we were caught on the counterattack with too many men upfield trying to make it 3-1.

The draw before that was a centre-half equalising in injury time.

The draw before that he brought on an extra forward in an attempt to push for the win.

The draw before that was an 84th minute equaliser when we definitely pushed on to try and get the win.


Maybe there are some examples earlier this season where he didn’t push for the win (away at Woking when we were down to 10 men would be one) but did we actually have the forwards to bring on to push for the win? I can’t remember many games when we had unused forwards on the bench. Particularly first half of the season our attacking players struggled to last 90 minutes and needed to be replaced as they were clearly flagging.

Hartlepool away we pressed for the win. Wealdstone away was a last minute equaliser. Forest Green at home he went three up front. Daggers at home was a last minute equaliser. York at home they equalised with 5 minutes to go, just after he’d brought Waldron on for Coker. At Oldham our subs on the bench to choose from were Hillson, Wind, KAF (his debut), Wood, Faulkner and MacDonald.

I think that leaves Hartlepool at home (he brought on Kendall, Coker and Bonne after 64 minutes) and Aldershot away (Bridge came on before the hour).

So which specific games are you referring to?

The Woking game we had three forwards on the pitch and were destroying them. Obviously, Miley got sent off and Mahers substitutions and tactical choices ruined the game and we scraped the draw. Pepple was taken off for Husin who at the time was on poor form- mind boggling as he was by far our best forward, Walker was dropped back into midfield and Bonne who although trying hard was not performing as well as he is now.

So we didn't need forwards to bring on, he actively played for the draw despite being all over Woking and could have gone from 3 up top to 2 but he chose to bring on a defensive midfielder and play 1 up top. Personally that tells us all we need to know.

You're correct we had players like Bonne flagging from lack of football yet they were given so many chances, Waldron has not been given that luxury. Now on Saturdays performance I have some sympathy for Maher in that regard, but maybe, if given a run of games he'd perform, we don't know. I certainly think he didn't do enough to earn a starting position on Saturday.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

What about our current forwards, also Bim is hardly down to us, he was a loanee from divisions above. I'll give you HC, but Gus is a different case being a wing back and a bit of an enigma. I'm not saying DW is the answer, but it's how he is treated and not given a fair crack of the whip.

Bim showed that forwards can score in this system and improve under this management.

Cardwell showed that forwards can score in this system and improve under this management.

Gus showed that this team creates chances and that players can improve under this management.

That’s what forwards and agents are going to look at and see to the extent they’ll look at things like that.

They’re not going to read much into a forward who has never played higher than NLN and turns 29 in May struggling to get game time. They’ll see the current forwards goal returns as something they can improve and as an opportunity for themselves.

 

[Ipswhrimp]

Exactly, one of them had a ceiling of Rushall Olympic, the other reached L1 with Charlton.

And furthermore, he played a couple of full seasons in the Championship. Quite a contrast with Waldron…

 

[Zeuss]

Bim had the tools and probably the biggest help we gave him was a run of games that allowed him to hone his skill set. I suspect he also learnt a lot from Bonne who could be seen coaching/coaxing him whenever they were on the pitch together.

Unfortunately Bim. and Bonne weren’t on the pitch together anywhere near as much as they should have been. Ok,maybe there was a reason why Bim had to be taken off every game after an hour ? but to keep making Bonne start on the bench was frankly inexplicable and inexcusable. Bonne would have started scoring much earlier and with even more Pepple goals,we’d have been right up at the top end of this miserable league.

 

[in the know]

Pepple got chesterfields winner on Saturday apparently. (Apologies if anyone's already said this). Pleased he's making the most of his opportunities that are deserved.

 

[Seaside Shrimper]

They have a recent thread about him on their forum, seems as though they are warming to him after a perceived slow start

Pepple got chesterfields winner on Saturday apparently. (Apologies if anyone's already said this). Pleased he's making the most of his opportunities that are deserved.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

if we lose away against FGR it'll be interesting to see if the voting against KM changes on this thread-especially as our play off chances will have practically gone.

 

[RHB]

if we lose away against FGR it'll be interesting to see if the voting against KM changes on this thread-especially as our play off chances will have practically gone.

Even if we do lose to FGR, I would be amazed if the voting margin moved at all.

 

[Strykr]

This thread has become the "chat about anything" thread.

 

[Kris]

The Woking game we had three forwards on the pitch and were destroying them. Obviously, Miley got sent off and Mahers substitutions and tactical choices ruined the game and we scraped the draw. Pepple was taken off for Husin who at the time was on poor form- mind boggling as he was by far our best forward, Walker was dropped back into midfield and Bonne who although trying hard was not performing as well as he is now.

So we didn't need forwards to bring on, he actively played for the draw despite being all over Woking and could have gone from 3 up top to 2 but he chose to bring on a defensive midfielder and play 1 up top. Personally that tells us all we need to know.

You're correct we had players like Bonne flagging from lack of football yet they were given so many chances, Waldron has not been given that luxury. Now on Saturdays performance I have some sympathy for Maher in that regard, but maybe, if given a run of games he'd perform, we don't know. I certainly think he didn't do enough to earn a starting position on Saturday.

Regarding the Woking away game, KM had to make tactical changes because Miley was key to our domination in midfield. Husin was the obvious sub to cover his space. Nothing negative about that. Most teams switch to a lone striker after a red card (4-4-1 usually) anyway in order to cover as much of the pitch as possible when not in possession.

As for Waldron, I feel for him as his injuries have clearly impacted his development at this level, especially given the lack of a reserve team to rebuild match fitness. He showed glimpses of his talent last season but it just happened for him this time around.

 

[Linda Loan Shark]

I still support Kev. He has got us through some hard times and he deserve a proper pre season

We are a non league club do you think we will be able to attract a top manager

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Even if we do lose to FGR, I would be amazed if the voting margin moved at all.

It will move sometime I hope,one way or the other.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I still support Kev. He has got us through some hard times and he deserve a proper pre season

We are a non league club do you think we will be able to attract a top manager

Not a top manager (for some perhaps ) but I belive AB would be a popular shout.

 

[Avl1983]

Regarding the Woking away game, KM had to make tactical changes because Miley was key to our domination in midfield. Husin was the obvious sub to cover his space. Nothing negative about that. Most teams switch to a lone striker after a red card (4-4-1 usually) anyway in order to cover as much of the pitch as possible when not in possession.

As for Waldron, I feel for him as his injuries have clearly impacted his development at this level, especially given the lack of a reserve team to rebuild match fitness. He showed glimpses of his talent last season but it just happened for him this time around.

I've got to be honest, I disagree. Miley wasn't playing very well at the time, Morton was performing better and Miley certainly wasn't key to our domination, that's almost laughable for me I'm afraid. The changes made were very negative. We were dominating the game and he removed our best attacker in Pepple and left Bonne up front on his own. Awful substitutions and tactics which very nearly cost us the draw that we were then playing for. I honestly believe another manager would have continued to attack Woking and won. We had them on the ropes.

As for Waldron I agree, hampered by injuries and I was one calling for him to get more time on the pitch, that's not the case after Saturday though unfortunately. If he's not fully fit, I'd rather he ran his socks off and showed desire for 10 minutes than just plod around the pitch looking disheartened. That being said, he should have had chances before now and maybe that's contributing to his confidence etc. We'll never know unless he goes somewhere else and performs. A loan move would surely make sense.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

This thread has become the "chat about anything" thread.

It’s worse than that. It’s the same old story of one (particularly) or two people intentionally stirring the pot and ignoring all the salient responses, again and again and again. All this just so they can have a little giggle at home and find a use for the box of autumnal shades tissues by their computer.

It would be far better if people just started ignoring them and stopped dignifying their mindless posts with considered replies.

 

[Kris]

I've got to be honest, I disagree. Miley wasn't playing very well at the time, Morton was performing better and Miley certainly wasn't key to our domination, that's almost laughable for me I'm afraid. The changes made were very negative. We were dominating the game and he removed our best attacker in Pepple and left Bonne up front on his own. Awful substitutions and tactics which very nearly cost us the draw that we were then playing for. I honestly believe another manager would have continued to attack Woking and won. We had them on the ropes.

As for Waldron I agree, hampered by injuries and I was one calling for him to get more time on the pitch, that's not the case after Saturday though unfortunately. If he's not fully fit, I'd rather he ran his socks off and showed desire for 10 minutes than just plod around the pitch looking disheartened. That being said, he should have had chances before now and maybe that's contributing to his confidence etc. We'll never know unless he goes somewhere else and performs. A loan move would surely make sense.

OK, maybe I exaggerated about Miley's attributes in that game but equally you can't leave his position open and expect to continue dominating. That's why KM brought on Husin to plug the hole Miley had left. I know it might have been seen as a negative move but sadly it was sensible given the circumstances.

 

[Avl1983]

OK, maybe I exaggerated about Miley's attributes in that game but equally you can't leave his position open and expect to continue dominating. That's why KM brought on Husin to plug the hole Miley had left. I know it might have been seen as a negative move but sadly it was sensible given the circumstances.

It’s a matter of opinion at the end of the day isn’t it, I can respect yours but I do disagree. I feel we should have just dropped Walker into midfield and continued, once we score then that’s a different conversation as then you have something to protect and with a man fewer I could see that argument but not at 0-0.

 

[PIERS]

I’m still kev out. If he starts with 4 at the back at FGR. then I’ll switch to undecided