Woolwich-Killing

[dloman]

Name one. Go on, just one.

To be fair this was alluded to by one of the top security advisors to the government on one of the news shows last night.

 

[MK Shrimper]

The poor sod who was killed has been named as 25yr old Lee Rigby: RIP mate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

I've been thinking about this a lot today and it struck me just how far we've come post 9/11. Could anyone on here honestly have envisaged 12 years ago that they would, in their own lifetime, see the day when a British citizen was attacked, beheaded and have his body dragged across a London street by Radical Islamists. Forget the attackers nationality, Radical Islam respects no borders and has no nation; ask the Yemeni's.

As Hot Wee Wee Jefferson says, it's time that Islam got its house in order, lest the day comes when reasoned debate/level headedness gets replaced with a blood curdling lust for total War on the part of the West/Christianity. Sounds far fetched, but there is surely only so many times this kind of thing can happen in the civilized world before patience snaps. Initial horror and sadness on my part has been replaced with real fury in the last 24 hours.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I've been thinking about this a lot today and it struck me just how far we've come post 9/11. Could anyone on here honestly have envisaged 12 years ago that they would, in their own lifetime, see the day when a British citizen was attacked, beheaded and have his body dragged across a London street by Radical Islamists. Forget the attackers nationality, Radical Islam respects no borders and has no nation; ask the Yemeni's.

As Hot Wee Wee Jefferson says, it's time that Islam got its house in order, lest the day comes when reasoned debate/level headedness gets replaced with a blood curdling lust for total War on the part of the West/Christianity. Sounds far fetched, but there is surely only so many times this kind of thing can happen in the civilized world before patience snaps. Initial horror and sadness on my part has been replaced with real fury in the last 24 hours.

Perhaps "the West" should also get its house in order? Finally pulling out of Afghanistan will hopefully be a good start.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Perhaps "the West" should also get its house in order? Finally pulling out of Afghanistan will hopefully be a good start.

Just so we're clear, you absolutely cannot change my outlook on this; so go and bore someone else.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Just so we're clear, you absolutely cannot change my outlook on this; so go and bore someone else.

Don't worry.I realised a long time ago that you're not open to rational debate.Just opinionated put downs.:tease:

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Don't worry.I realised a long time ago that you're not open to rational debate.Just opinionated put downs.:tease:

You wouldn't know rational debate if it opened up the Guardian website and sent you twenty links to an article named 'tips for rational debate'.

 

[Swiss Tony]

You wouldn't know rational debate if it opened up the Guardian website and sent you twenty links to an article named 'tips for rational debate'.

Don't forget this:tease:

 

[pickledseal]

"All these Muslims, no respect for the law..."

Oh wait, hang on:

 

[pickledseal]

The poor sod who was killed has been named as 25yr old Lee Rigby: RIP mate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857

Leaves behind a young son. So very very sad.
Will be tough for the family seeing the images and videos on constant repeat. Guess at some point the young lad will also see it all too. Truly horrific.

Many thoughts and prayers with the family.

On a slightly positive note H4H have apparently seen a massive surge in donations.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

"All these Muslims, no respect for the law..."

Oh wait, hang on:

I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with some Occupy scumbag breaking his/her bail conditions in order to protest against something in which he believed?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

The two suspects who were shot, believed to include Michael Adebolajo, were known to security services.

Why weren't they watched more closely?

 

[pickledseal]

I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with some Occupy scumbag breaking his/her bail conditions in order to protest against something in which he believed?

If your objection is to lawbreakers, it's best to not be one yourself, that's all. People have to use an element of conscience, but it just seems a little hypercritical...

Just to put it out there, someone just highlighted this story to me: http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

 

[ozzie]

if these muslims are appalled,as we are,with this killing, why dont there" preachers","imans",leaders say .to show our solidarity with "our" people& our dead soldier, we should all,all, go out and buy a ..help for heros... t-shirt..and wear them next friday,..to show our solidarity with our armed forces& against murdering scum..

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

If your objection is to lawbreakers, it's best to not be one yourself, that's all. People have to use an element of conscience, but it just seems a little hypercritical...

Just to put it out there, someone just highlighted this story to me: http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

I feel that taking to the streets to protest against a decapitation is slightly less egregious than actually participating in said decapitation.

As for your Guardian link, good, we got one back.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

The two suspects who were shot, believed to include Michael Adebolajo, were known to security services.

Why weren't they watched more closely?

Because it might interfere with their human rights. Bigger question is why werent they both shot dead instead being allowed a trial and have taxpayers money wasted on them via the NHS and a lengthy prison sentence where they will be better fed than most hospital patients and still able to preach their hatred of the white race. A better idea would be to hand them over to the army to deal with. A hundred bullets in each of them should suffice.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Because it might interfere with their human rights. Bigger question is why werent they both shot dead instead being allowed a trial and have taxpayers money wasted on them via the NHS and a lengthy prison sentence where they will be better fed than most hospital patients and still able to preach their hatred of the white race. A better idea would be to hand them over to the army to deal with. A hundred bullets in each of them should suffice.

Because they may have information that will lead to other potential murderers

 

[BrettieAngell]

The two suspects who were shot, believed to include Michael Adebolajo, were known to security services.

Why weren't they watched more closely?

Because we don't have the resources to watch every single person considered a threat all the time.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Because they may have information that will lead to other potential murderers

You think they will give that info up? You could threaten them with death and they wouldn't give the info.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Because we don't have the resources to watch every single person considered a threat all the time.

Then we have already lost