Woolwich-Killing

[Pubey]

Agreed. I saw it retweeted last night so can't remember who exactly it was, but someone got it fairly spot on with the remark that these two are no more representative of Islam than Peter Sutcliffe is of Yorkshiremen.

The 'Extremism is to Islam as Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity' is a pretty apt line as well.

EDIT - Just to clarify, I'm comparing how they're viewed, not what they do.

 

[Grayson]

I’m confused then. The bloke clearly says something like Sorry women had to see this but women see this in my country every day. That would indicate to me that he this isn’t his country and therefore isn’t British. Obviously my mistake.

A shame you picked out one thing from my post and not responded to the rest, but never mind.

It's an identification thing. Something has happened to cause this man, with a clear London accent, to despise Britain, associate and identify himself with another country, and want to murder our soldiers.

These things happen for a reason. Who knows what that may be.

But like I said before, it appears a lot of people hold an opinion that this man is not British, despite seemingly being British, because he doesn't identify himself as British.

Yet a large proportion of people on the streets of Woolwich last night were preaching hate against a large group of people who are British, and identify themselves as British, because they are 'foreign' or a Muslim.

 

[Jam_Man]

The quickly 'spun' terrorist line is slightly disturbing.

Let's not forget that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in the name of conservatism and christianity. He wasn't viewed by many as a terrorist, but a mentally deranged lunatic. Where's the difference in this situation?

No difference at all

ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Noun
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Interesting comparison on another thread.

Mandela = hero because he fought apartheid which included his henchmen killing people
EDL = trouble rousing because they dare to protest (not murder) against murders committed in Britain by Islamic extremists

 

[mrsblue]

Two nutters who deserve no mercy,Truth is they will end up in cushy prisons with their every demand met.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Go on, I'm all ears.

It wasn't a racially provoked attack for a start and as unpopular and uncalled for the EDL protest was, it is still a right of this country to have that right to protest.

 

[Benfleet A1]

The quickly 'spun' terrorist line is slightly disturbing.

Let's not forget that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in the name of conservatism and christianity. He wasn't viewed by many as a terrorist, but a mentally deranged lunatic. Where's the difference in this situation?

Mentally deranged lunatics tend to work alone not in pairs.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Interesting comparison on another thread.

Mandela = hero because he fought apartheid which included his henchmen killing people
EDL = trouble rousing because they dare to protest (not murder) against murders committed in Britain by Islamic extremists

Nelson Mandela didn't wear an Aquascutum baseball cap either.

 

[Jam_Man]

Mentally deranged lunatics tend to work alone not in pairs.

Fred West and Ian Brady arespinning in their graves.

 

[Beefy]

Interesting comparison on another thread.

Mandela = hero because he fought apartheid which included his henchmen killing people
EDL = trouble rousing because they dare to protest (not murder) against murders committed in Britain by Islamic extremists

That's a terrible, terrible comparison. It's bad enough that you've made it once, it's pretty pathetic that you've thought that it's so good that it's worth bringing it into another thread.

 

[Benfleet A1]

These sort of scenes (which are certainly not peaceful protests) have no place on Britain's streets.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2013/may/23/english-defence-league-woolwich-video

You know what Barna, I agree with you. Well that's not quite accurate, I would have agreed with you if you were not so vocal in your support for Thatcher Death Parties and no doubt the right of Poll tax Protesters/Rioters and most probably the Anti Capitalism Protests/Riots. Your condemnation of the EDL protests sort of fall on deaf ears with your track record.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Interesting comparison on another thread.

Mandela = hero because he fought apartheid which included his henchmen killing people
EDL = trouble rousing because they dare to protest (not murder) against murders committed in Britain by Islamic extremists

I can't quite see the EDL preaching reconciliation and not retaliation.

 

[Nestudas]

Fred West and Ian Brady arespinning in their graves.

Not yet but hopefully not too much longer

 

[Benfleet A1]

Fred West and Ian Brady arespinning in their graves.

Fred West probably is, but considering he hung himself in Winston Green Prison he has that right. Ian Brady is still alive and kicking and residing at Ashworth Hospital on Merseyside so his grave spinning days are yet to start. Also Brady was declared Criminally Insane in 1985 not at the time of he's crimes and West was never declared insane or anything else of what might be considered a mental nature.

Try Again.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

That's a terrible, terrible comparison. It's bad enough that you've made it once, it's pretty pathetic that you've thought that it's so good that it's worth bringing it into another thread.

Are you happy to let Muslim extremists carry on living in the UK, slaughtering innocent people?

EDL may not be doing it the correct way but they are trying to so something.

Apartheid was terrible, as are extremists killing innocent people. Mandela murdered to get himself free from Apartheid. What do we do to rid us of these Extremists?

I wonder if one of your family was murdered by these extremists, would you have a different opinion?

 

[EastStandBlue]

Are you happy to let Muslim extremists carry on living in the UK, slaughtering innocent people?

EDL may not be doing it the correct way but they are trying to so something.

Apartheid was terrible, as are extremists killing innocent people. Mandela murdered to get himself free from Apartheid. What do we do to rid us of these Extremists?

I wonder if one of your family was murdered by these extremists, would you have a different opinion?

You're referencing extremism as if it's just as rife as apartheid was in South Africa around the time of Mandela's detention, when that simply isn't the truth.

 

[mrsblue]

Are you happy to let Muslim extremists carry on living in the UK, slaughtering innocent people?

EDL may not be doing it the correct way but they are trying to so something.

Apartheid was terrible, as are extremists killing innocent people. Mandela murdered to get himself free from Apartheid. What do we do to rid us of these Extremists?

I wonder if one of your family was murdered by these extremists, would you have a different opinion?

The EDL come across as total rabble without thought whose main agenda is to get drunk and chuck stuff at police officers.

 

[Pubey]

Are you happy to let Muslim extremists carry on living in the UK, slaughtering innocent people?

EDL may not be doing it the correct way but they are trying to so something.

Apartheid was terrible, as are extremists killing innocent people. Mandela murdered to get himself free from Apartheid. What do we do to rid us of these Extremists?

I wonder if one of your family was murdered by these extremists, would you have a different opinion?

If people are found to be Muslim extremists, preaching hate or planning terrorism then they should be charged (and if applicable extradited).

Using very rare terrorist attacks caused by very small numbers of religious extremists to influence major changes in our immigration policy is heavy-handed IMO. There are other more justified reasons to look at our immigration policy. We need to clamp down on extremism and that requires the support of the muslim community - divisive policies/media interpretation won't help and having the EDL chanting 'muzzy' and '****' etc at innocent british-muslims is going to do a **** load of damage.

I worry that the governments spin on this is to help them force through immigration policies and the communications data bill that was shelved.

 

[mrsblue]

If people are found to be Muslim extremists, preaching hate or planning terrorism then they should be charged (and if applicable extradited).

Using very rare terrorist attacks caused by very small numbers of religious extremists to influence major changes in our immigration policy is heavy-handed IMO. There are other more justified reasons to look at our immigration policy. We need to clamp down on extremism and that requires the support of the muslim community - divisive policies/media interpretation won't help and having the EDL chanting 'muzzy' and '****' etc at innocent british-muslims is going to do a **** load of damage.

I worry that the governments spin on this is to help them force through immigration policies and the communications data bill that was shelved.

Well said,

The minuscule total of Muslim extremists who have murdered on these shores over the years is near on incalculable ,Put it another way 99.99% of Muslims living in Britain do so in peace.

 

[Grayson]

Are you happy to let Muslim extremists carry on living in the UK, slaughtering innocent people?

EDL may not be doing it the correct way but they are trying to so something.

Apartheid was terrible, as are extremists killing innocent people. Mandela murdered to get himself free from Apartheid. What do we do to rid us of these Extremists?

I wonder if one of your family was murdered by these extremists, would you have a different opinion?

Seeing as you're so sure who these extremists are, please send a list of names to the police and intelligence services.

Quite often, like yesterday, we don't know somebody is a terrorist until they commit an act of terrorism. Persecuting a group because a handful may become terrorists doesn't sit well with me.