Woolwich-Killing

[steveo]

There was quite a blatant London accent on the video of one killer, yet so many people want to 'send them back'. I'd imagine both killers grew up within 5 miles of Woolwich, if not closer.

Well he did say "women have to see this every day in OUR country"

What does he mean by OUR country?

 

[Jam_Man]

You are right. But I really don't have a problem here with the colour or religion angle. I'll just be happy if they are given a fair trial and when found guilty are hung by their bollocks from a lamp post in Woolwich High Street and cut open to be bled dry like the pigs they are. Then if we could burn the remains, tin it up and chuck it into a landfill that would press most of the buttons for me.

Oh and if we hunted down every single member of their families and totally wiped out their bloodline then that would be a added bonus. Extreme? Probably. Insane on my behalf? Oh yeah, but i'd like to bet you would see a noticable drop in recruitment figures for good old Allah and his mates. Bet God wouldn't quite so great then would he.

Thats exactly what would make more people join the extremist ranks.

For whatever reason it is these lunatics do what they do they love a cause which is what you would give them.

 

[Jam_Man]

Well he did say "women have to see this every day in OUR country"

What does he mean by OUR country?

I saw one of those stupid facebook pictures doing the rounds yesterday, the post this if you support blah blah blah.

It said get the people who did this out of our country. Even if you ignore the fact they are British I cant help feeling that shooting them was a far more fitting punishment. The fact they were apparently shot be a mere woman police office makes it even more fitting.

 

[pickledseal]

Well he did say "women have to see this every day in OUR country"

What does he mean by OUR country?

Latest reports suggest they have links to Nigeria.

I think 'our land' is similar to Jews seeing Israel as 'our land'. It's a figure of speech linking Muslims with the land Muhammad.

 

[pickledseal]

Thats exactly what would make more people join the extremist ranks.

For whatever reason it is these lunatics do what they do they love a cause which is what you would give them.

Yup oppression, marginalization and alienation leads to fundamentalism. Assimilation and integration reduces such problems.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I don't understand, are you saying that because these individuals attacked a soldier, it is okay for the EDL to attack the police?

More than likely the EDL are rightly protesting about another murder of an innocent by Islamic extremists and the police started manhandling. I wonder how long it took the police to turn up to control the EDL? A damn sight quicker than the 20 mins took the police to turn up when the Islamic terrorists murdered an innocent man.


Totally sickening.

 

[Jam_Man]

The police were already on site throughout the area. I drove through Lewisham at 5pm and they were pouring van fulls in at that time.

 

[Grayson]

Well he did say "women have to see this every day in OUR country"

What does he mean by OUR country?

He clearly feels disconnected to the UK.

Whether this is caused by the state of our society or by 'brainwashing' is another debate entirely.

 

[steveo]

He clearly feels disconnected to the UK.

Whether this is caused by the state of our society or by 'brainwashing' is another debate entirely.

But you started on the "send them back" thing so where is his country?

So if he feels disconnected why stay, in what clearly isnt his country? I suppose its the governments fault or the white man's fault that he feels disconnected, or he has had an under privileged childhood or anyones fault but his own.

He also wanted to start a war in London. By running someone over? Seems like the war didnt last too log when the cavalry arrived. I hope he dies. Good riddance to bad rubbish,.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Thats exactly what would make more people join the extremist ranks.

For whatever reason it is these lunatics do what they do they love a cause which is what you would give them.

Really? Pity we will never find out.

 

[BaileytheQuitter]

Do you realise how stupid that sounds.

Go on, I'm all ears.

 

[Jam_Man]

Really? Pity we will never find out.

Of course.

If you treat any society harshly with barbaric behaviour they will fight back against it.

Same way that there has been outrage against the incident.

Thats the absolutely absurd thing, carrying out terrorist attacks does absolutely **** all. All it does is make the people you attack more resolute against you.

 

[Beefy]

A mate of mine was out in Manchester last night with a workmate who is Asian. They were confronted by a mob in a pub as apparently being Asian means he was "an associate" (their words) of the guys who murdered the poor bloke in London.

 

[Grayson]

But you started on the "send them back" thing so where is his country?

So if he feels disconnected why stay, in what clearly isnt his country? I suppose its the governments fault or the white man's fault that he feels disconnected, or he has had an under privileged childhood or anyones fault but his own.

He also wanted to start a war in London. By running someone over? Seems like the war didnt last too log when the cavalry arrived. I hope he dies. Good riddance to bad rubbish,.

I didn't start that, Twitter is full of it and I posted about how daft that is when the killer on video is clearly a Londoner. So yes, it clearly is his country.

It is possible for people born and bred here to feel disconnected. They can be white and well off too (many on here have chosen to emigrate, for example). But this disconnection will only ever increase the more our country comes to paintbrush people based on their religion. Some leave because of this, some have no choice and stay to live normal lives, and sadly the odd idiot chooses to do what this killer has done.

I am not justifying the killer's actions or his cause, or anything he's done. I'm saying the vitriol aimed at foreigners/immigrants as a generalisation since last night is not only wrong and moronic, but targeting the wrong people, because this man is clearly British.

No doubt it is arguable that he isn't British if he holds such disdain to Britain, born and bred or not. However, society cannot argue that and then continue to say 'send them back' about all immigrants, as many of them love Britain. Either being born and bred here is the issue, or it is not. This is where the thinking of the 'send them back' preachers is seriously flawed.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

More than likely the EDL are rightly protesting about another murder of an innocent by Islamic extremists and the police started manhandling. I wonder how long it took the police to turn up to control the EDL? A damn sight quicker than the 20 mins took the police to turn up when the Islamic terrorists murdered an innocent man.
Totally sickening.

These sort of scenes (which are certainly not peaceful protests) have no place on Britain's streets.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2013/may/23/english-defence-league-woolwich-video

 

[davewebbsbrain]

These sort of scenes (which are certainly not peaceful protests) have no place on Britain's streets.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2013/may/23/english-defence-league-woolwich-video

These sorts of scenes wouldn't happen if Britain hadn't opened to floodgates to allow all and sundry in to commit these horrific attacks. What is the government doing to stop these extremists living in the uk?

46 seconds in, a copper punching someone in the face...brilliant

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Ah knew this thread wouldn't be complete without a guardian link from barna.

 

[Pubey]

The quickly 'spun' terrorist line is slightly disturbing.

Let's not forget that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in the name of conservatism and christianity. He wasn't viewed by many as a terrorist, but a mentally deranged lunatic. Where's the difference in this situation?

 

[steveo]

. So yes, it clearly is his country.
because this man is clearly British.

I’m confused then. The bloke clearly says something like Sorry women had to see this but women see this in my country every day. That would indicate to me that he this isn’t his country and therefore isn’t British. Obviously my mistake.

 

[EastStandBlue]

The quickly 'spun' terrorist line is slightly disturbing.

Let's not forget that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in the name of conservatism and christianity. He wasn't viewed by many as a terrorist, but a mentally deranged lunatic. Where's the difference in this situation?

Agreed. I saw it retweeted last night so can't remember who exactly it was, but someone got it fairly spot on with the remark that these two are no more representative of Islam than Peter Sutcliffe is of Yorkshiremen.