Woolwich-Killing

[Jam_Man]

Allways hope Jam man, the same as those who said the Holocaust didnot happen.
I read with interest from certain quarters we should pull our troops out as it is not our war,thankfully we didnot follow that rule in 1939, terrorism is a war under any name,and though we cannot understand or even get close to why they do this,thankfully we are brave enough to stand up to it, and alas those who join the armed forces know what canbe expected whether its right or wrong when they join up
You only have to go back to 1970 and IRA shootings bombings,this is the new Ireland problem on our shores.

The difference between 1939 and now is there were countries fighting us, not little anonymous pockets of people spread throughout the world. We could send an army against Germany and Japan and once beaten that was it.

There is no war to win in Afghanistan, no winnable objective. Its not going to achieve anything.

We certainly need to fight terrorism, but wars in other countries wont do anything. We have sent hundreds of thousands of allied troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, yet the biggest win we got was killing Bin Laden with two helicopters.

Even the IRA had an endpoint, you could see what they were trying to achieve and could see an end to it, large scale war wasnt the answer then either.

With whats going on with Islamic extremists you cant see how there will ever be a time where they will not want to do what they do, and as Wednesday showed they dont even need any resources to do it.

 

[mrsblue]

Allways hope Jam man, the same as those who said the Holocaust didnot happen.
I read with interest from certain quarters we should pull our troops out as it is not our war,thankfully we didnot follow that rule in 1939, terrorism is a war under any name,and though we cannot understand or even get close to why they do this,thankfully we are brave enough to stand up to it, and alas those who join the armed forces know what canbe expected whether its right or wrong when they join up
You only have to go back to 1970 and IRA shootings bombings,this is the new Ireland problem on our shores.

Care to explain why our troops are fighting in these countries?,What is their actual aim?.

 

[Blueronron]

Sorry wrong in my eyes, we are a civilsed country and lucky to be born here,in a country where we have a decent living
By going into Afghan we are trying to help those that cannot help themselves through either a corrupt goverment or gangs threaten the daily lifes

Easy to turn a blind eye when not on our door step,but donot come crying when there is no one to support us in times of need.

In 1970 could you see an end to it,if so I wish you was in goverment and taken over the role of Mo Mowlen 20 years before her, would have saved a lot of innocents life on both sides.

If we learn one thing in History supporting others less fortunate than us does benefit in the end.Terrorism is not new go back to the Mongol Empire and that what it was, Roman Empire its as old as time and will not be beat whilst beliefs differ,but us civilised countries can certainly slow it down

 

[mrsblue]

Sorry wrong in my eyes, we are a civilsed country and lucky to be born here,in a country where we have a decent living
By going into Afghan we are trying to help that cannot help themselves through either a corrupt goverment or gangs threaten the daily lifes

Easy to turn a blind eye when not on our door step,but donot come crying when there is no one to support us in times of need.

In 1970 could you see an end to it,if so I wish you was in goverment and taken over the role of Mo Mowlen 20 years before her, would have saved a lot of innocents life on both sides.

If we learn one thing in History supporting others less fortunate than us does benefit in the end.Terrorism is not new go back to the Mongel Empire and that what it was, Roman Empire its as old as time and will not be beat whilst beliefs differ,but us civilised countries can certainly slow it down

The Afghans beat the Russian army machine and our lads are being killed for what exactly?,The IRA downed weapons because of talking not by force.Our government are quick to invade certain countries yet with the same token ignore other countries which are being destroyed by warfare or madmen.Since Saddam was executed Has Iraq became better or worse.

 

[MK Shrimper]

The Afghans beat the Russian army machine and our lads are being killed for what exactly?,The IRA downed weapons because of talking not by force.Our government are quick to invade certain countries yet with the same token ignore other countries which are being destroyed by warfare or madmen.Since Saddam was executed Has Iraq became better or worse.

Not without help from the US arming and training them, including one Mr. O.B. Laden.

Has Iraq got better? I have no idea - I know the Kurds are grateful he's gone. However did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? No, the hijackers were Saudi - this country are the biggest issue, where the most violent and backward version of Islam comes from - however for some reason the US & UK don't invade - I wonder why? Is it because they spend billions of oil dollars on our weapons?

 

[mrsblue]

Not without help from the US arming and training them, including one Mr. O.B. Laden.

Very true and there are plenty more examples of so called despots who all at one stage were matey with major governments.

 

[Jam_Man]

Sorry wrong in my eyes, we are a civilsed country and lucky to be born here,in a country where we have a decent living
By going into Afghan we are trying to help those that cannot help themselves through either a corrupt goverment or gangs threaten the daily lifes

Easy to turn a blind eye when not on our door step,but donot come crying when there is no one to support us in times of need.

In 1970 could you see an end to it,if so I wish you was in goverment and taken over the role of Mo Mowlen 20 years before her, would have saved a lot of innocents life on both sides.

If we learn one thing in History supporting others less fortunate than us does benefit in the end.Terrorism is not new go back to the Mongol Empire and that what it was, Roman Empire its as old as time and will not be beat whilst beliefs differ,but us civilised countries can certainly slow it down

When we pull out next year nothing will have changed. The Taliban will simply move back in. How would we have helped anyone?

As for the IRA there was a clear objective that would have ended it, they wanted the British out of Ireland. It wasnt an objective that was easy to meet, but at least they had a clear purpose and as time has showed it could be worked out.

What is it Islamic fanatics want ? How can we give them what they want ? We cant. Will they ever accept our way of life? No they wont.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Very true and there are plenty more examples of so called despots who all at one stage were matey with major governments.

Plenty of photos of Dick Cheney & co. shaking hands with the Taliban & Saddam before 9/11. Politics is a dirty business.

 

[Blueronron]

It took IRA nearly 30 years to come around, and then extremists are still bombing police in Ireland.
Goverment will exploit whatever is in their favour whether right or wrong that is a fact, though I donot think any ministers wants blood on their hands, again this goes back centuries when war is waged, the young innocents are killed whilst the rich and powerful hide behind there desks issuing orders,I doubt if any of the soldiers want to fight or kill,but that is why they are trained for that job, and many hope they never have to use it.

Has Iraq became better, Im not in position to judge and I donot read the Sun or Mail and that will sway whichever way the wind is blowing, however I suspect one madman is one less for the country to worry about as it trys to turn around it fortunes,no one thinks except Sun readers it will change over night, it takes time and assistance from other countries

I for one think the crime committed was terrible and punishment should be served on the two,but to cover all Muslims and Johnny Foreigners with the same brush is wrong on all points

UTS

 

[Neil_F]

To stop this madness our troops need to be withdrawn from all conflicts within the Middle East

Really? There are no British troops in Iraq and the government announced the end of combat operations in Afghanistan in 2014 a long time ago.

I often think that people try to explain such non-sensical events by projecting their own opinions. Listening to the murderers justify their actions it is apparent that they are illogical and clearly mentally unhinged. They would have done it regardless of British foreign policy.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Does mrsblue have a burqa with a Shrimpers badge on it?

 

[mrsblue]

Does mrsblue have a burqa with a Shrimpers badge on it?

No...Just adding IMO a sensible response,Whilst you wish to partake in death and destruction.

 

[mrsblue]

Really? There are no British troops in Iraq and the government announced the end of combat operations in Afghanistan in 2014 a long time ago.

I often think that people try to explain such non-sensical events by projecting their own opinions. Listening to the murderers justify their actions it is apparent that they are illogical and clearly mentally unhinged. They would have done it regardless of British foreign policy.

Whilst there are mad hate filled clerics brainwashing weaker members of their faith of course it's hard to stop,The clever part is to stop the mad mullahs from spouting their rubbish.
To day I have seen many high ranking Muslims denounce those very same people with one guy asking why Chaudrey has not been locked up.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

No...Just adding IMO a sensible response,Whilst you wish to partake in death and destruction.

I believe it's Muslims who are chopping people's heads off. Not me.

 

[C C Csiders]

Whilst there are mad hate filled clerics brainwashing weaker members of their faith of course it's hard to stop,The clever part is to stop the mad mullahs from spouting their rubbish.
To day I have seen many high ranking Muslims denounce those very same people with one guy asking why Chaudrey has not been locked up.

What is needed are more moderate mullahs. A sort of Mullah Lite.

 

[mrsblue]

What is needed are more moderate mullahs. A sort of Mullah Lite.

Haha brilliant

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

What is needed are more moderate mullahs. A sort of Mullah Lite.

What is needed is less Dhimmis willing to pay the Jizra of a few pints of their fellow citizens' blood.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Saw a stat yesterday on FB (so no idea how accurate it is), but in the last 20 years 94% of civillian murders in Afghanistan have been carried out by "fellow" Muslims.

Yet the fanatics continue to blame the West.

 

[Jam_Man]

Saw a stat yesterday on FB (so no idea how accurate it is), but in the last 20 years 94% of civillian murders in Afghanistan have been carried out by "fellow" Muslims.

Yet the fanatics continue to blame the West.

Well surely that would be the case as most westerners there are not civilians ?! Nor will Taliban be classed as civilians or murder victims in any stats.

That said it was a barbaric place before we got there, and it will be so when we leave. Sooner we leave them to it the better.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Well surely that would be the case as most westerners there are not civilians ?! Nor will Taliban be classed as civilians or murder victims in any stats.

That said it was a barbaric place before we got there, and it will be so when we leave. Sooner we leave them to it the better.

Not westerners but your everyday Afghani nationals, men, women & children.