What is hacking you off today?

[The Original Tribal Chief]

The fact that the ‘system’ can be used to justify the sentencing of Edwards and of the anti-immigration protesters doesn’t make those sentences morally acceptable. It just shows that the system is broken.

 

[Mad Cyril]

The fact that the ‘system’ can be used to justify the sentencing of Edwards and of the anti-immigration protesters doesn’t make those sentences morally acceptable. It just shows that the system is broken.

Maybe some of the anti-immigration protestors should have played the 'didn't get into Oxford' card?

 

[Yer Blues]

A 67-year-old got 20 months for chanting "you're not English anymore" at police officers. You think that's worse than looking a pictures of child sexual abuse?

This is precisely the two-tier justice that people are protesting about.

How's that daily mail subscription working out for you?

 

[Berri36]

I listened a barrister explain why Edward’s received the sentence he did and it made sense. The fact that you or anyone else don't think it was severe enough is irrelevant.

Of course it’s not irrelevant because it’s Called an opinion which the last time I looked is still allowed .

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

Of course it’s not irrelevant because it’s Called an opinion which the last time I looked is still allowed .

Only those that are approved.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Incredible that whenever a celebrity paedophile gets mentioned on here, the same people defend them in one way or another. He got caught with some of the worst images you can think of, then asked his sender for more. Some of those male children or recent teenagers being abused will carry a life sentence. As proven, many will become drug addicts or alcoholics when they are old enough to realise what was done to them, and they use drugs or/and alcohol to block it out. Some will commit suicide. My heart goes out to all victims, and not a highly privileged person that is living a sickening double life. And by the way, strings were pulled as cases like this normally go to Crown Court, not a magistrates Court.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Incredible that whenever a celebrity paedophile gets mentioned on here, the same people defend them in one way or another. He got caught with some of the worst images you can think of, then asked his sender for more. Some of those male children or recent teenagers being abused will carry a life sentence. As proven, many will become drug addicts or alcoholics when they are old enough to realise what was done to them, and they use drugs or/and alcohol to block it out. Some will commit suicide. My heart goes out to all victims, and not a highly privileged person that is living a sickening double life. And by the way, strings were pulled as cases like this normally go to Crown Court, not a magistrates Court.

I don’t see anyone defending Huw Edwards.

I see people defending the fact that his punishment is consistent with sentencing guidelines. Guidelines that are drawn up by experts rather then the social media court of public opinion.

Similar sentences are handed down every week without public outcry.

 

[KevinJH]

Pleading guilty is the get (keep) out of gaol card....

 

[Mad Cyril]

Pleading guilty is the get (keep) out of gaol card....

Not if you are rioting or inciting civil unrest on social media.

 

[OldBlueLady]

He has effectively a life sentence, he's not going to able to go anywhere without people recognising him and with what he's done. I would imagine he will leave the country and set up somewhere else.

But still receives his pension pot from the BBC including his recent pay rise.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I listened a barrister explain why Edward’s received the sentence he did and it made sense. The fact that you or anyone else don't think it was severe enough is irrelevant.

I don't really give two hoots what a barrister says. I've listened to and read reports and comments from several victims of these kind of crimes and it should be relevant that the vast majority of people who care, think this is utterly disgraceful.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I don't really give two hoots what a barrister says. I've listened to and read reports and comments from several victims of these kind of crimes and it should be relevant that the vast majority of people who care, think this is utterly disgraceful.

Then do something about it - perhaps campaign for a review of sentencing guidelines?

 

[blues exile]

Then do something about it - perhaps campaign for a review of sentencing guidelines?

There is a big difference between the desire for revenge and justice. It would be a very slippery slope to start accommodating populist rhetoric in the legal system.

 

[pottster]

But still receives his pension pot from the BBC including his recent pay rise.

He will. Shame he won't be able to enjoy it. It's not as if he can go on a cruise or on holiday without people recognising him and calling him a nonce.

 

[Mad Cyril]

There is a big difference between the desire for revenge and justice. It would be a very slippery slope to start accommodating populist rhetoric in the legal system.

Of course - if you want revenge move to Iran or Saudi.

You are quite right about populism - no one baying for blood cared about the sentencing guidelines for these cases last week. I doubt they will next week.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

He will. Shame he won't be able to enjoy it. It's not as if he can go on a cruise or on holiday without people recognising him and calling him a nonce.

I'm sure he'll be able to move abroad and have quite a nice life. Not like many people outside the UK are going to recognise him.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

The killer of my mate got sentanced at Bas Crown Court yesterday, finally pleaded guilty to death by reckless. (60-70 mph in a 30, on phone, in defective car)
After mitigation and sobbing in box etc got 30mths.
I know the widow, children, grand children, laid off employees and closed firms as a result of Garry's death aren't feeling justice has been served; but they are wise enough to acknowledge 30 years wouldn't bring him safely home.

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

The killer of my mate got sentanced at Bas Crown Court yesterday, finally pleaded guilty to death by reckless. (60-70 mph in a 30, on phone, in defective car)
After mitigation and sobbing in box etc got 30mths.
I know the widow, children, grand children, laid off employees and closed firms as a result of Garry's death aren't feeling justice has been served; but they are wise enough to acknowledge 30 years wouldn't bring him safely home.

I am certainly not an advocate for 'throwing away the key'. I volunteered in the local state prison here in Oregon and the sentencing of some of the men is just ridiculous. One of the inmates, who I'm now privileged to call my friend, had a childhood that just beggared belief. Baby P levels of abuse, but he survived. Sent out to steal and assault by a drug addicted mother. He killed a man during an attempt to rob him. He doesn't deny it, doesn't make any excuses, although he did admit to me that he doesn't even remember the event because he was on a 72 hour meth binge. He doesn't deny that he belonged in prison. But he was sentenced to life without parole - to me, that is beyond excessive. I want rehabilitation, not punishment. But most of all, I want consistency and I want fairness.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

@The Original Tribal Chief , agree. Life isn:t fair and what happens to so many innocent young children is stuff of nightmares. I worked with homeless for a while and when they can talk about what happened to force them on the streets/drugs/crime etc it is not a fairy tale or easy options for too many. Given hope and help who knows what might achieved.

 

[londonblue]

I am certainly not an advocate for 'throwing away the key'. I volunteered in the local state prison here in Oregon and the sentencing of some of the men is just ridiculous. One of the inmates, who I'm now privileged to call my friend, had a childhood that just beggared belief. Baby P levels of abuse, but he survived. Sent out to steal and assault by a drug addicted mother. He killed a man during an attempt to rob him. He doesn't deny it, doesn't make any excuses, although he did admit to me that he doesn't even remember the event because he was on a 72 hour meth binge. He doesn't deny that he belonged in prison. But he was sentenced to life without parole - to me, that is beyond excessive. I want rehabilitation, not punishment. But most of all, I want consistency and I want fairness.

Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm genuinely interested, but how do you square that with being pro the death penalty (as I believe you are)? How do you rehabilitate someone who is dead? Because, let's be fair, there are people who would argue your friend should have been given the death penalty.