A Bit of Fun Transfer Rumours Thread (Potential New Signings)

[BoyWonder2]

You've answered your own question - why would a player sign a deal that had an option of cancellation/reduced risk for the club if long-term injured - we're told he wants to play for us, and money is not the top priority.

We're assuming fitness/risk of injury is the problem - I'm suggesting a solution, variants of which are common place (Greg Halford was on month to month), seems obvious, so not sure it is the real issue.

A love of a Club doesn’t pay the bills, provide security for your retirement or anything like that. Holmes has made good money in the game, but the deal he signs this summer is likely to be his last in the full time game. Without any additional income streams, his money won’t mean he is set for life.

I’m a Southend fan, but in RH shoes, if RM doesn’t change his mind in the next few days, I’d be signing somewhere else. I wouldn’t blame him if that is what happens.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

A love of a Club doesn’t pay the bills, provide security for your retirement or anything like that. Holmes has made good money in the game, but the deal he signs this summer is likely to be his last in the full time game. Without any additional income streams, his money won’t mean he is set for life.

I’m a Southend fan, but in RH shoes, if RM doesn’t change his mind in the next few days, I’d be signing somewhere else. I wouldn’t blame him if that is what happens.

That i agree with sentiment and love of the club wont come into it and shouldn’t from both sides.

 

[Ozzer]

Have I missed something or is this new news? Surely not Chris Powell??

Peter Butler?

 

[Holy Joe]

A love of a Club doesn’t pay the bills, provide security for your retirement or anything like that. Holmes has made good money in the game, but the deal he signs this summer is likely to be his last in the full time game. Without any additional income streams, his money won’t mean he is set for life.

I’m a Southend fan, but in RH shoes, if RM doesn’t change his mind in the next few days, I’d be signing somewhere else. I wouldn’t blame him if that is what happens.

I agree, I'm just surprised this is dragging on - if injury/fitness is the issue, offer a contract that reduces the risk to the club, if that is not acceptable to RH we move on. Have we even offered a contract to RH yet?

 

[Ozzer]

Sorry, forgot the loanees.

I’d expect both of them through the door before the season opener. If it’s to be just one, Dennis is the most likely of the two because his seen as a starter straight off the bat. He has other options, but he is happy here, PB confirmed that.

The QPR lad would be an impact sub currently. Whether QPR are happy with that is what the deal will hinge on.

Fiancees on both deals have already been discussed.

We’re paying for them too? ?

 

[BoyWonder2]

I agree, I'm just surprised this is dragging on - if injury/fitness is the issue, offer a contract that reduces the risk to the club, if that is not acceptable to RH we move on. Have we even offered a contract to RH yet?

A contract has been offered to RH, RH is happy with the terms, it’s just waiting for RM and RM is reluctant.

 

[rlb999]

A contract has been offered to RH, RH is happy with the terms, it’s just waiting for RM and RM is reluctant.

thanks for clarifying. you drew up the contract, I’m guessing?

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Was meant to post an update earlier, but have been away on a stag do over the weekend and spent the day catching up with my missus and little boy.

Firstly, we are not under any embargo/squad limit size, or anything of that nature. All bills, wages, other expenditures etc are all up to date, so any talk of embargoes is nonsense.

CP beat me to part of the update with his story recently put online about the first team coach. Was a recommendation from RD, and PB liked what he heard and the coach like what he saw at training Friday. He came in today and put the players through their paces in almost a “job interview”. An contract offer has been emailed across, and hopefully should all be sorted soon. Likely to combine his role with the national team he works with, along with here, but that isn’t set in stone.

Re RH. Again, no embargo, PB hasn’t blown the budget and RH isn’t asking for big money or long term deals. It’s purely down to RM and his reluctance at the moment. We’ve been stung far too much with paying players that are unable to contribute to the side, through injury. Look at Ralph, Lennon, Hyam, Hooper etc. RH has an injury that will get worse over time, and will mean he has to hang his boots up sooner than he’d like. RM had similar doubt about a deal for Ralph, but age was on his side. RH doesn’t have that. Obviously anyone could break down on the first game of the season and miss a year. Could be someone prone to injury, with a history of it, or someone who has never visited the treatment table. RM purely is trying to limit that risk. It isn’t a case of the League One striker or RH or anything like that. PB needs to convince RM. Farnborough have offered RH more than us, but so have other Clubs, and he has turned them down. It’ll purely be down to RH and his patience with RM dragging his heels.

The League One striker is on more than PB realised when they begun talks a while ago, this has been bubbling away long before last Sunday. The League One striker would like to come here, but will purely be down to working out a deal. If he does join, he would have taken a wage cut to be here, and will fit in with the existing wage budget we have, not on top of that.

There is room left in the budget. I’m not privy to figures, only figure I got told before was a player we tried to sign, joined another National League Club for £3k a week, we will not be paying that sort of money. Now, we could have a barrel load or £50 left, I don’t know figures, but I know PB is happy with what he is working with and prepared to stick to those figures.

PB spoke very well during the zoom call last week, and confirmed pretty much exactly what I’ve mentioned before. I do have a bit more news, but I can’t put that out until PB makes it public, which he may not ever do to be fair. It doesn’t have to be something that is made public, especially outside of footballing circles.

Sir Chris Powell coming back?!?

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Sir Chris Powell coming back?!?

I know someone else beat me to it, but, c'mon

 

[SUBBlue]

A contract has been offered to RH, RH is happy with the terms, it’s just waiting for RM and RM is reluctant.

RM is probably just waiting for Holmes to get fed up & accept one of the other deals on the table so the problem is effectively resolved for him & no longer RMs responsibility.

 

[Holy Joe]

A contract has been offered to RH, RH is happy with the terms, it’s just waiting for RM and RM is reluctant.

The world of football must be a bit different - all job offers I've had have been signed by authorised person at the company offering the job, once I've signed and returned it, that contract is done, unless all the conditions are not met. Has he agreed terms, which the club are now trying to amend, or had a contract which has been rescinded - and if the latter is it because some terms have not been met.

It wouldn't be the first time in the past few months Ron has backed out of a agreed terms - Stan was a bit peeved that his eventual offer was not as verbally agreed.

 

[kentblues]

The whole thing is just a complete embarrassment.
At least the nonsense about RH is asking for big money, RH is seeking a long contract, RH hasn’t had offers from higher level,
Budget has been spent can all be put to bed ( bet some still mention but endlessly repeating it won’t make it true)
To me the modest salary expected and agreed more than mitigates the risk.
I suspect RH will turn Farnborough down as well because he wants to play for us and the excruciating nonsense characterised by dither and delay on a biblical scale will continue...

 

[Medway Blue]

The whole thing is just a complete embarrassment.
At least the nonsense about RH is asking for big money, RH is seeking a long contract, RH hasn’t had offers from higher level,
Budget has been spent can all be put to bed ( bet some still mention but endlessly repeating it won’t make it true)
To me the modest salary expected and agreed more than mitigates the risk.
I suspect RH will turn Farnborough down as well because he wants to play for us and the excruciating nonsense characterised by dither and delay on a biblical scale will continue...

I'm struggling to understand why RM has gone to the complete opposite end of the spectrum. The issue in the past wasn't necessarily signing the much-mentioned older and injury prone players. The actual issue was the lack of DD, poor (or ignored?) medicals and the offering of long contracts on big wages.

Ricky Holmes has had an unprecedented 5-day medical. It has picked up a degenerative back issue but has also stated that it can be managed to a good level. He has likely been offered a year with a club option on I believe somewhere between £600 and £800 p/w - not bad considering he was on around 10x that at Charlton/Sheffield Utd 1-3 years ago.

I'm glad the DD has been done and that is what we wanted. But the results that have come back are favourable, as are the financial terms and length of contract. So just get it over the line. There's DD, and then there is over cautiousness. Ron Martin has gone from one extreme to the other when what we need is something in-between.

 

[WestyReturns]

A love of a Club doesn’t pay the bills, provide security for your retirement or anything like that. Holmes has made good money in the game, but the deal he signs this summer is likely to be his last in the full time game. Without any additional income streams, his money won’t mean he is set for life.

I’m a Southend fan, but in RH shoes, if RM doesn’t change his mind in the next few days, I’d be signing somewhere else. I wouldn’t blame him if that is what happens.

So Ron's still restricting who managers sign without even telling them so wastes everyone's time. Thought he was staying out of the football side. What a load of b*llocks.

 

[BoyWonder2]

So Ron's still restricting who managers sign without even telling them so wastes everyone's time. Thought he was staying out of the football side. What a load of b*llocks.

RM has told him.

Ultimately, it’s RM’s football Club and the majority of the money is RM’s. He is well within his rights to say no to a player.

RM is very good at backing his managers, the only manager that would dispute that is Sol Campbell. He has said no to certain players in the past, and he will again in the future no doubt.

RM says yes to his managers more often than no. I, personally, don’t have a problem with RM in this instance. He may change his mind, he may not, but since the Powell days, we’ve had so many injuries and a worrying number of long term ones. Can you blame RM if he doesn’t want to be paying a salary of another player that potentially wont play a huge amount of games.

Obviously, that could happen to any player, but RM won’t say no to everyone so it never happens again.

 

[kentblues]

RM has told him.

Ultimately, it’s RM’s football Club and the majority of the money is RM’s. He is well within his rights to say no to a player.

RM is very good at backing his managers, the only manager that would dispute that is Sol Campbell. He has said no to certain players in the past, and he will again in the future no doubt.

RM says yes to his managers more often than no. I, personally, don’t have a problem with RM in this instance. He may change his mind, he may not, but since the Powell days, we’ve had so many injuries and a worrying number of long term ones. Can you blame RM if he doesn’t want to be paying a salary of another player that potentially wont play a huge amount of games.

Obviously, that could happen to any player, but RM won’t say no to everyone so it never happens again.

Agree with this- except not sure I would pick this player and on such a modest deal to be trying to make the point. If he was going to be on £2k week I would absolutely agree.

 

[mfurok]

No.

Surely you mean no thanks.

 

[flangejackrabbit]

The world of football must be a bit different - all job offers I've had have been signed by authorised person at the company offering the job, once I've signed and returned it, that contract is done, unless all the conditions are not met. Has he agreed terms, which the club are now trying to amend, or had a contract which has been rescinded - and if the latter is it because some terms have not been met.

It wouldn't be the first time in the past few months Ron has backed out of a agreed terms - Stan was a bit peeved that his eventual offer was not as verbally agreed.

It's common where I work to informally agree on an offer subject to various conditions/approvals then kick it up to MD to sign off while giving the candidate a draft contract to look over. In practice, the MD has never turned it down but he wants that step in there.

 

[KiwiRob]

Why would RH, or any player for that matter, sign a deal like that.

Anyone could break a leg, snap a ligament, Achilles tendon, or anything like that, not just players with injury concerns.

If RH breaks a leg 5 minutes into Kings Lynn and is released, he won’t have any income. If he went to someone on a one year deal, and did the same thing, he’d still have an income.

These players still have mortgages, rent, bills, cars on finance, mobile phone bills, kids etc so you have to make sure your bills are paid. Why take the risk?

Would you? I know I’d go for the security of the one year deal personally.

BW2, thanks so much for the really informative update. I am not quite sure why RM and RH cannot agree a short-term contract on the agreed termns with an option to renew at say the end of January. That give RH the chance to prove he can play regularly and gives RM the chance to terminate within a reasonable time-frame if RH cannot play regularly.

 

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