Theresa May - Dead woman walking?

[Bielzibubz]

What I am suggesting is that there is serious research evidence, which documents that young black men obtain fewer academic qualifications and are more often subjected to stop and search procedures than their white male counterparts.

And that is because of the choices they make from an early age, not because there aren't any schools available. As has been said before it's a choice. There are plenty of black kids that have grown up on various estates in London that have gone on to have perfectly good educations and careers and there are also many black youths from those same estates that have chosen the life that leads to criminal behaviour.

And to tackle your last point. I'm very good friends with a now retired senior ex Met officer who spent the majority of the last years in service dealing specifically with youth and organised gang crime in the capital and you can take it from me as I've had many a long conversations with him about this that black youths and young men get stopped and targeted more than white or Asian youths and young men because they have, and continue to commit the vast majority of the serious drug related crimes such as beating, robbery and knife crime.

Part of the problem was, and still is, that people at the sharp end that deal with this problem day in and day out are not in a position to actually say it like it is for fear of being labelled racist and consequently opening a hornets nest of criticism and accusations.

 

[KevinJH]

Part of the problem was, and still is, that people at the sharp end that deal with this problem day in and day out are not in a position to actually say it like it is for fear of being labelled racist and consequently opening a hornets nest of criticism and accusations.

A very true and accurate statement. Working with the DOJ one was constantly walking on eggshells.....

 

[rigsby]

Poor Nile Ranger.....If only he had been given a chance in life.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

All the white teachers are racist clearly.
But okay I’ll play along, why don’t black kids do as well as white kids and while you’re at it, why do asian kids regularly out do white kids at school?

These are questions on which a lot of research has been done.Unfortunatly the answers are far from definitive.You could also ask why the vast majority of white working class males are failing to achieve academic success in the UK's educational system? Unfortunately, we don't know the answer to that one,either.

Your opening sentence is just risible,of course. ( I assume it was meant to be).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Is it only black people on zero hour contracts? Well live and learn.

Don't think I suggested for a moment that it was.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

And that is because of the choices they make from an early age, not because there aren't any schools available. As has been said before it's a choice. There are plenty of black kids that have grown up on various estates in London that have gone on to have perfectly good educations and careers and there are also many black youths from those same estates that have chosen the life that leads to criminal behaviour.

And to tackle your last point. I'm very good friends with a now retired senior ex Met officer who spent the majority of the last years in service dealing specifically with youth and organised gang crime in the capital and you can take it from me as I've had many a long conversations with him about this that black youths and young men get stopped and targeted more than white or Asian youths and young men because they have, and continue to commit the vast majority of the serious drug related crimes such as beating, robbery and knife crime.

Part of the problem was, and still is, that people at the sharp end that deal with this problem day in and day out are not in a position to actually say it like it is for fear of being labelled racist and consequently opening a hornets nest of criticism and accusations.

Thatcher was very fond of using the term choice too.Unfortunately,the reality is, that there are very few choices available-especially in the UK's broken educational/housing/social and economic system/- to black or white kids at the bottom of the poverty ladder.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Poor Nile Ranger.....If only he had been given a chance in life.

Ha! As we all know, he was given several.Unfortunately for various reasons-which would make an interesting discussion (unlike this one) - he was unable to take advantage of them.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

A very true and accurate statement. Working with the DOJ one was constantly walking on eggshells.....

Are you an American or Canadian? Didn't realise there was a Department of Justice in the UK.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Don't think I suggested for a moment that it was.

No? Alluded then, maybe hinted, touched upon, guessed, suggested.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Are you an American or Canadian? Didn't realise there was a Department of Justice in the UK.

Just one of many things you don't realise it seems.

DOJ UK

 

[Bielzibubz]

Thatcher was very fond of using the term choice too.Unfortunately,the reality is, that there are very few choices available-especially in the UK's broken educational/housing/social and economic system/- to black or white kids at the bottom of the poverty ladder.

So, are you saying that black youths are more prone to be brought up in a life of poverty with a lack of available education and overall social deprivation?

If not, how do you square that with the point I made about the ratio of violent and serious crime committed by those black youths or are you going to question my point given that you know the source?

If both black and white youths have the same economic, educational and social opportunities when growing up in London and elsewhere why is there a disproportionate amount of crime committed by one and not the other?

I understand you may not be able to answer this properly what with not having lived here for 40+ years but give it a go. My friend, the retired senior Met officer would be intrigued to hear it.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Ha! As we all know, he was given several.Unfortunately for various reasons-which would make an interesting discussion (unlike this one) - he was unable to take advantage of them.

He WAS able, he just chose NOT to. This is a fundamental difference in this argument. Was he forced to make the decisions he did. Was his arm put up behind his back until he did as he was told. Was a gun put to his head and his family threatened. NO NO and NO. He chose the path he took and he pays the price. It's that simple.

 

[rigsby]

Ha! As we all know, he was given several.Unfortunately for various reasons-which would make an interesting discussion (unlike this one) - he was unable to take advantage of them.

You seem to have such a low opinion of black men and what they can achieve. Nile took full advantage when he was put up in a flat with the help of SUFC......He stole the flat screen TV, amongst other things.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

These are questions on which a lot of research has been done.Unfortunatly the answers are far from definitive.You could also ask why the vast majority of white working class males are failing to achieve academic success in the UK's educational system? Unfortunately, we don't know the answer to that one,either.

Your opening sentence is just risible,of course. ( I assume it was meant to be).

That is simply not true. It is true that relative to some other groups, this group of kids are relatively underperforming but the ‘vast majority’ are not ‘failing’

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Total bollocks and this coming from someone who refered to black people as 'coloureds'.*

Morals when it ****ing suits.

If you saw Question Time last Thursday night, (which I doubt), then you would remember that the young,black panelist,George the Poet,shortly after the BBC clip which I linked to earlier, stated that none of "the persons of colour" in the audience had "called him out" (i.e. disagreed with him) on his opinions.It's certainly true that there were people of many different hues in the studio audience,filmed in Canary Wharf.

I do hope it's all right with you BTW that a young black man called audience members "persons of colour?"

When you get round to compiling your own highly idiosyncratic guide to political correcteness, where race and ethnicitity are concerned,I do hope you'll take the time to explain the difference between "people of colour" and "coloured,* (which was the term I originally used, BTW).

Meanwhile to use a football analogy,which I hope you'll understand,I suggest you concentrate on playing the ball in future, (ie the argument,in this particular case) rather than the man (ie the poster).

 

[Ricky Otto]

What about white kids in the poorest areas of London and black kids in the poor areas of Glasgow who don’t choose this way of life?

Well done to them, they should be applauded

 

[dcblue]

Maybe not now but certainly back in the 70's and before Glasgow was infamous for knife and gun crime in white gangs.

If you're talking about "opportunities" for zero hour contract work and "Mac". jobs then you're probably right

I was a teenager in Glasgow in the 60's and used to watch gang fights where knives, chains and axes were the main weapons. However I don't remember as many deaths as there is now in london. I felt safer then than I did, even 10 years ago, when I was unfortunate enough to have a contract in London.

 

[OldBlueLady]

This is all very interesting, but what does it actually have to do with Theresa May?

 

[Ricky Otto]

Poor Nile Ranger.....If only he had been given a chance in life.

There are always exceptions, Nile had opportunities and wasted them. What about Lee Sawyer, had opportunities and wasted them.

 

[Ricky Otto]

This is all very interesting, but what does it actually have to do with Theresa May?

Yep we have gone well off topic ?