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SUFC: The Future The regeneration of Roots Hall

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Tommy2holes said:
That's not exactly true. Yes wages will go up along with promotion.

You fail to factor in an increase in gates, particularly away fans. Whats the average away support in the national league? 100 odd. It will likely increase to 500 in the EFL. Let's say its £22 and adult and £10 concessions at an average of about £15. £15x400 = 120k. Its not a lot but it could be a higher away support than that.

I'm not suggesting that roots Hall should remain neglected. Getting the north/west corner sorted will increase revenue in home tickets.

The fan zone will help match day income as will a revamped west bar etc.

Saving on electric bulbs in the flood lights will also save 1000s.

The main money Spinner will be the east stand which Cosu have admitted could be several years away.

Advertising pays higher in the EFL. TV money is higher (if chosen)

The chances of a decent cup run increase with inclusion to the league Cup, later FA cup rounds and league trophy etc.

It's probably far closer to 2 million+
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A lot of people seem keen to tell COSU that they should spend more money to get promoted sooner, but there's clearly a reason they're not doing it, and it's probably because calculations like yours are inaccurate.

There'a an awful lot of people disregarding risk, too.....something that our previous owner did, and which contributed to our current predicament.

It's easy to say "spunk another £500k or £750k on the playing budget and get us into L2 ASAP!". But what if that money is spent and it doesn't happen in the first season? Or in subsequent seasons?

£500k extra just for a one-season promotion tilt turns into a million, and then £1.5m, and then £2m.

Neither the club nor its owners are in a financial position to absorb losses like that. The new owners are looking to spend money on the club's infrastructure to reduce the losses, and get it into a position where it can increase the playing budget without quite so much risk attached.

Football is fickle, and attendances will "taper off" to a similar level whether we're midtable in the NL, or midtable in L2. The club must begin to generate non-matchday revenue, and to do so, millions will need to be spent on infrastructure.

SUFC might not get to breakeven in the National League, but it can certainly cut the losses considerably, so that it is in a much better position when it does make it back to the EFL. The days of building success on a house of cards like Ron Martin did are over.
 
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Tommy2holes said:
That's not exactly true. Yes wages will go up along with promotion.

You fail to factor in an increase in gates, particularly away fans. Whats the average away support in the national league? 100 odd. It will likely increase to 500 in the EFL. Let's say its £22 and adult and £10 concessions at an average of about £15. £15x400 = 120k. Its not a lot but it could be a higher away support than that.

I'm not suggesting that roots Hall should remain neglected. Getting the north/west corner sorted will increase revenue in home tickets.

The fan zone will help match day income as will a revamped west bar etc.

Saving on electric bulbs in the flood lights will also save 1000s.

The main money Spinner will be the east stand which Cosu have admitted could be several years away.

Advertising pays higher in the EFL. TV money is higher (if chosen)

The chances of a decent cup run increase with inclusion to the league Cup, later FA cup rounds and league trophy etc.

It's probably far closer to 2 million+
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Your financial forecast for L2 relies on a cup run. I’m sure you know our history in that department. Ron had the same idea and that’s why we are bottom half of the NL.

If we do have a cup run we still could in the FA. We wold actually be a bigger TV attraction as a ‘non league’ club…. Live TV is the real earner in the FA cup.
How about doing a Gateshead and winning the Trophy at Wembley….Thats worth more than losing to a Brighton reserve team in the League cup in front of 2,000 people.

All ifs and buts Tommy. What is absolute fact is trying to buy your way out of the NL cost serious dollar. Stockport, Wrexham, Notts County, Chesterfield etc did…… But not one of those clubs did first time or even second. Eventually they all ramped it up but will have averaged several million more than our budget over the last 4 seasons.

We have salvaged HMS SUFC but at the moment she is in dry dock undergoing major repairs.
Have patience Tommy it’s a 5 year plan not 5 months
 
Medway Blue said:
A lot of people seem keen to tell COSU that they should spend more money to get promoted sooner, but there's clearly a reason they're not doing it, and it's probably because calculations like yours are inaccurate.

There'a an awful lot of people disregarding risk, too.....something that our previous owner did, and which contributed to our current predicament.

It's easy to say "spunk another £500k or £750k on the playing budget and get us into L2 ASAP!". But what if that money is spent and it doesn't happen in the first season? Or in subsequent seasons?

£500k extra just for a one-season promotion tilt turns into a million, and then £1.5m, and then £2m.

Neither the club nor its owners are in a financial position to absorb losses like that. The new owners are looking to spend money on the club's infrastructure to reduce the losses, and get it into a position where it can increase the playing budget without quite so much risk attached.

Football is fickle, and attendances will "taper off" to a similar level whether we're midtable in the NL, or midtable in L2. The club must begin to generate non-matchday revenue, and to do so, millions will need to be spent on infrastructure.

SUFC might not get to breakeven in the National League, but it can certainly cut the losses considerably, so that it is in a much better position when it does make it back to the EFL. The days of building success on a house of cards like Ron Martin did are over.
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The added benefit being that if we're breaking even in the NL we'll be quids in when we finally achieve promotion. The only real increase in costs will be team salaries, but that will be more than offset by the increase in revenue.
 
rigsby said:
Your financial forecast for L2 relies on a cup run. I’m sure you know our history in that department. Ron had the same idea and that’s why we are bottom half of the NL.

If we do have a cup run we still could in the FA. We wold actually be a bigger TV attraction as a ‘non league’ club…. Live TV is the real earner in the FA cup.
How about doing a Gateshead and winning the Trophy at Wembley….Thats worth more than losing to a Brighton reserve team in the League cup in front of 2,000 people.

All ifs and buts Tommy. What is absolute fact is trying to buy your way out of the NL cost serious dollar. Stockport, Wrexham, Notts County, Chesterfield etc did…… But not one of those clubs did first time or even second. Eventually they all ramped it up but will have averaged several million more than our budget over the last 4 seasons.

We have salvaged HMS SUFC but at the moment she is in dry dock undergoing major repairs.
Have patience Tommy it’s a 5 year plan not 5 months
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Bang on Riggers. Can’t believe there’s still fans wanting to chuck unlimited amounts of cash at it and hoping we get out the league like others have done. What if we don’t?! We’ll be screwed. I’m confident if we don’t make play offs this season we’ll be there next season challenging. It took Luton ages to get out of this league. Patience! Let’s just enjoy the ride and Moncur’s silky skills. Bonne might even show up soon.
 
Did anyone see the QR codes around the ground? I didn’t see any and certainly wanted to put my feedback across about the still lack of hand soap/hot water and working dryer in the South East corner toilets.
 
Ricey said:
Did anyone see the QR codes around the ground? I didn’t see any and certainly wanted to put my feedback across about the still lack of hand soap/hot water and working dryer in the South East corner toilets.
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Whilst having a jimmy in the West Stand gents (main entrance end) I was face to face with one. I didn't attempt to scan the QR as I'm not much good at multi tasking.
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
"I'd like to know what progress the COSU have had in live streaming next Sat's FACup Tie With Charlton? I see the BEEB are planning to show Tamworth against Huddersfield next Fri.night.While that may be of some interest to some people in the Midlands & Yorkshire I doubt whether It'll be of much interest to many in SE Essex or London.Since the camera will be on top of the West stand why not make some additional effort to monetarise the game? After all Yeovil managed it for their tie against us last season?"
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On the Charlton tie, anyone notice the structure in the North West corner? I haven’t noticed that before?
 
"I'd like to know what progress the COSU have had in live streaming next Sat's FACup Tie With Charlton? I see the BEEB are planning to show Tamworth against Huddersfield next Fri.night.While that may be of some interest to some people in the Midlands & Yorkshire I doubt whether It'll be of much interest to many in SE Essex or London.Since the camera will be on top of the West stand why not make some additional effort to monetarise the game? After all Yeovil managed it for their tie against us last season?"
 
Anybody have any idea when the stadium will start getting upgraded ie a time line and what the plans are?

I would have thought the north bank would have been first knock down but not sure now.
 
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