Supernaut
And I used to be a citizen⭐
And you sided with Cameron, Osbourne and Blair. I'm never going to compromise what I believe in because of others.
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MK Shrimper
Striker
Because I honestly believe we are better as a nation, as part of the EU, regardless of who led the campaign.
Supernaut
And I used to be a citizen⭐
And I believe the opposite.
MK Shrimper
Striker
Well, agree to disagree and let the chips fall where they may. I don't really want to fall out with anyone over this. :peace:
Supernaut
And I used to be a citizen⭐
Amen to that. The most regrettable thing about the whole episode for me is that people are now turning on each other. No sensible person on either side of the issue wants to see that happen.
Pubey
Guest
So your decision wasn't based at all on immigration control/reduction, or on reducing EU payments and instead spending that cash on the NHS?
Jim Levenstein
Manager🦐
I voted in.
I think we're going to have a really tough time over the next few years but in the long term will be better off. I think France and Germany have general elections next year? So Hollande and Merkel will not want us to be seen as doing well as they won't want the right getting more votes. I think the EU is worried that we have left but are playing a good card in saying get us out as quickly as possible that combined the pound crashing and stocks falling is certainly going to get people panicking. The more panic there is the more chance there is of us somehow staying in.
I think we're going to have a really tough time over the next few years but in the long term will be better off. I think France and Germany have general elections next year? So Hollande and Merkel will not want us to be seen as doing well as they won't want the right getting more votes. I think the EU is worried that we have left but are playing a good card in saying get us out as quickly as possible that combined the pound crashing and stocks falling is certainly going to get people panicking. The more panic there is the more chance there is of us somehow staying in.
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
Shame. I want to see a fight.
MK, I don't think you know what Supernaut called you over the weekend:
Spoiler:
I'll sell the tickets. We'll make a killing. I need to make a living somehow now!
Jam_Man
Life President
I was close to voting leave solely on immigration, happy to admit it. I however all along never bought how this was good for the country economically or politically and still see no reason why the country will be stronger as a result, even before you take into account Scotland's likely departure.
When Boris stumbled after being asked to quantify the reduction in immigration that was it for me.
Lets Project Hope that all that leave expect comes to be, because hope seems to be all that there is left to base it on....
Sandbach Shrimper
Life President⭐
No one's going to be "sent back home", for goodness sake. Some people are reacting as if we've just elected the BNP into government.
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
Pubey
Guest
This is some Tucker-level petulance (only just stumbled across it):
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't real life...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't real life...
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
MK Shrimper
Striker
She's 17, unable to vote and worried for her future and the future of her friends. It's completely understandable seeing that old(er) people have decided her future for her.
But if we're going to have a "points" based system akin to Australia, what if her friends parents don't gain enough to warrant staying in the UK?
callan
Striker
Is it possible, with the way Labours English and Welsh heartlands backed Brexit that some good could actually come of this?
Labour politician after Labour politician on the night of the referendum said that they had been sent a message that they needed to listen too.
yogi bear up the cagire
Life President⭐
Just to back up the comments I made earlier about Johnson's statement........
He (Johnson) also suggested the UK would still have access to the EU's single market, a remark quickly challenged by the German Business Institute and Merkel ally Michael Fuchs, MP.
Mr Fuchs said: "It will be possible, of course, but not for free - you have to see with Norway, with Switzerland, you have to pay a certain fee. And the per capita fee of Norway is exactly the same as what Britain is now paying into the EU. So there won't be any savings."
On preliminary negotiations there appears to be a stand off. Britain won't invoke article 50 until preliminary discussions have taken place................Europe won't start preliminary discussions until article 50 has been invoked...................
..........this starts well!:smile:
He (Johnson) also suggested the UK would still have access to the EU's single market, a remark quickly challenged by the German Business Institute and Merkel ally Michael Fuchs, MP.
Mr Fuchs said: "It will be possible, of course, but not for free - you have to see with Norway, with Switzerland, you have to pay a certain fee. And the per capita fee of Norway is exactly the same as what Britain is now paying into the EU. So there won't be any savings."
On preliminary negotiations there appears to be a stand off. Britain won't invoke article 50 until preliminary discussions have taken place................Europe won't start preliminary discussions until article 50 has been invoked...................
..........this starts well!:smile:
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
Not unless you believe that Labour should pander to their anti-immigration (some of whom are clearly racist ) supporters in their traditional heartlands.
Btw,I thought the most intelligent comment I heard on the whole referendum campaign was by Will Self,
who on the eve of the vote, commented in a channel 4 interview that "while not all Brexit voters are racists,all racists are Brexiters."
Jam_Man
Life President
I had someone on facebook post on the day of the result saying how glad his kids would grow up in a less greedy and more compassionate society.
Where on earth is this stuff coming from?
Leaving the EU doesnt mean big corporations arent going to exist and society is going to suddenly change.
People are what they are, bankers are going to be bankers, politicians are going to be politicians. Nothing is going change in that regard.
Where on earth is this stuff coming from?
Leaving the EU doesnt mean big corporations arent going to exist and society is going to suddenly change.
People are what they are, bankers are going to be bankers, politicians are going to be politicians. Nothing is going change in that regard.
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
And in my opinion the most sensible thing said since the vote was by Tony Blair on the Sunday Politics yesterday. Everyone, regardless of how they voted should watch his interview. He's open in that he wanted to remain, but what he was saying was that we are where we are, and it's time to deal with it. He called for "political maturity" from both sides.
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
Given that the EU tends to be more left wing that the UK, I would say that's now less likely.
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