The EU Referendum

[MK Shrimper]

The petition for another Referendum has picked up a few signatures. Now at 1 million. Although this will force a parliamentary debate I can't see anything coming from it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324

Farage commented in May, that if it was close (52% - 48%) in favour of Remain, there should be a second vote. Like all the lies that he & Boris told, that was obviously another one.

 

[Supernaut]

Farage commented in May, that if it was close (52% - 48%) in favour of Remain, there should be a second vote. Like all the lies that he & Boris told, that was obviously another one.

Farage couldn't force a second referendum even if he wanted to though, could he? I mean, he's not an MP, and wasn't even part of the official Leave camp. What power does he have, other than the power of influence over people who want to believe his bilge?

 

[RHB]

Farage commented in May, that if it was close (52% - 48%) in favour of Remain, there should be a second vote. Like all the lies that he & Boris told, that was obviously another one.

At the risk of being called a whinging, degree educated, bullying left winger, I bet that had the referendum gone in favour of remain, the screams for a second referendum would have been very loud, including some on here. As it is it won't happen.

Apropro nothing to do with this thread, there has been a ground swell of the young of this country complaining about the result, stating that the Baby Boomer generation have ruined their futures. I'm a Baby Boomer and I voted remain, but the moral some youngsters should take from this episode is that if you want to influence politics then there are times when you need to vote and get your mates to vote as well.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

UK's EU Commissioner Stands Down: Says 'It's Not Right For Me To Carry On'


Lord Hill has announced he will be standing down following the UK's decision to leave the EU saying he is unable to carry on the job "as though nothing had happened".
He says that he went to Brussels as a eurosceptic, having campaigned against the UK joining the Euro but has left "certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy".
Here's his statement:
"Like many people here and in the UK, I am obviously very disappointed about the result of the referendum. I wanted it to end differently and had hoped that Britain would want to play a role in arguing for an outward-looking, flexible, competitive, free trade Europe.

"But the British people took a different decision, and that is the way that democracy works.
"As we move to a new phase, I don't believe it is right that I should carry on as the British Commissioner as though nothing had happened.
"In line with what I discussed with the President of the Commission some weeks ago, I have therefore told him that I shall stand down.
"At the same time, there needs to be an orderly handover, so I have said that I will work with him to make sure that happens in the weeks ahead.
"I am very grateful to Jean-Claude Juncker for giving me the chance to work on financial services and for the opportunity to help support jobs and growth in Europe.
"I was also glad to have worked with other Commissioners in trying to take forward our programme of reform, and to have had the chance to work with excellent officials at DG FISMA and in my own team.
"I came to Brussels as someone who had campaigned against Britain joining the euro and who was sceptical about Europe.
"I will leave it certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy.
"But what is done cannot be undone and now we have to get on with making our new relationship with Europe work as well as possible."

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

At the risk of being called a whinging, degree educated, bullying left winger, I bet that had the referendum gone in favour of remain, the screams for a second referendum would have been very loud, including some on here. As it is it won't happen.

Apropro nothing to do with this thread, there has been a ground swell of the young of this country complaining about the result, stating that the Baby Boomer generation have ruined their futures. I'm a Baby Boomer and I voted remain, but the moral some youngsters should take from this episode is that if you want to influence politics then there are times when you need to vote and get your mates to vote as well.

Actually I think the Remain camp have reacted a lot worse than the Leave side would've done had it been the other way round. Some young lefties seem to have a real problem with democracy and accepting other people's views. If it had been 52% Remain I wouldn't be calling for a second referendum, and I don't think many would, although it would've shown the EU that it needs to change. You can't pick and choose democracy when it suits you. And I think we've all had enough of elections for a few years (hence why I really don't want another Scottish referendum).

If we did have a second referendum, what if that was 51-49 to leave? Are you going to have another one until you get the result you want? That seems to be the EU way.

 

[Supernaut]

Actually I think the Remain camp have reacted a lot worse than the Leave side would've done had it been the other way round. Some young lefties seem to have a real problem with democracy and accepting other people's views. If it had been 52% Remain I wouldn't be calling for a second referendum, and I don't think many would, although it would've shown the EU that it needs to change. You can't pick and choose democracy when it suits you. And I think we've all had enough of elections for a few years (hence why I really don't want another Scottish referendum).

If we did have a second referendum, what if that was 51-49 to leave? Are you going to have another one until you get the result you want? That seems to be the EU way.

Absolutely spot-on.

 

[londonblue]

As expected there were lots of lefties spitting their dummies out on social media yesterday and trying to shame anyone who voted leave as a stupid uneducated bigot. When will they learn?

Democracy has spoken. We won't know for years whether this was the right decision, but I believe we should be confident and have faith in our great country. I can understand why some people are worried, this was always a referendum that was going to leave half the country unhappy. But this is an opportunity to create a more prosperous Britain and open ourselves up to the rest of the world. Germany, Canada and the US have already said they want a trade deal with us. The world is not going to end.

There were plenty of righties as well.

After all you've said, you now say we won't know for years if this was the right decision? So you've voted for something you don't even understand, and can't predict?

Brilliant.

 

[londonblue]

At the risk of being called a whinging, degree educated, bullying left winger, I bet that had the referendum gone in favour of remain, the screams for a second referendum would have been very loud, including some on here. As it is it won't happen.

Apropro nothing to do with this thread, there has been a ground swell of the young of this country complaining about the result, stating that the Baby Boomer generation have ruined their futures. I'm a Baby Boomer and I voted remain, but the moral some youngsters should take from this episode is that if you want to influence politics then there are times when you need to vote and get your mates to vote as well.

That's why I posted a link to the petition, and pointed out that Farrage had already said as much.

 

[rigsby]

UK's EU Commissioner Stands Down: Says 'It's Not Right For Me To Carry On'


Lord Hill has announced he will be standing down following the UK's decision to leave the EU saying he is unable to carry on the job "as though nothing had happened".
He says that he went to Brussels as a eurosceptic, having campaigned against the UK joining the Euro but has left "certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy".
Here's his statement:
"Like many people here and in the UK, I am obviously very disappointed about the result of the referendum. I wanted it to end differently and had hoped that Britain would want to play a role in arguing for an outward-looking, flexible, competitive, free trade Europe.

"But the British people took a different decision, and that is the way that democracy works.
"As we move to a new phase, I don't believe it is right that I should carry on as the British Commissioner as though nothing had happened.
"In line with what I discussed with the President of the Commission some weeks ago, I have therefore told him that I shall stand down.
"At the same time, there needs to be an orderly handover, so I have said that I will work with him to make sure that happens in the weeks ahead.
"I am very grateful to Jean-Claude Juncker for giving me the chance to work on financial services and for the opportunity to help support jobs and growth in Europe.
"I was also glad to have worked with other Commissioners in trying to take forward our programme of reform, and to have had the chance to work with excellent officials at DG FISMA and in my own team.
"I came to Brussels as someone who had campaigned against Britain joining the euro and who was sceptical about Europe.
"I will leave it certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy.
"But what is done cannot be undone and now we have to get on with making our new relationship with Europe work as well as possible."

Another faceless wonder who was happy to ride the EU gravy train. Now he might have to actually earn his inflated expenses the first thing he does is quits. See you later mate and try and take a few more with you. We are getting good value for our out vote.

 

[RHB]

I think we can both agree that a democratic vote has taken place and the result should stand. A second referendum would be a waste of money and time, and truthfully I don't think I could stomach another campaign. I think you are being a bit naïve to think that some prominent Leavers wouldn't have been squawking if the result had been the other way round.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

There were plenty of righties as well.

After all you've said, you now say we won't know for years if this was the right decision? So you've voted for something you don't even understand, and can't predict?

Brilliant.

I didn't say I don't understand it. I follow politics very closely and have done a lot of research into the EU. I made an informed decision.

But none of us have a crystal ball. We can't know for certain at the moment what will happen, we don't know what would happen if we'd voted to remain, but like I said I am optimistic and confident that we will get a good deal from Europe and will prosper without the constraints of the EU.

 

[rigsby]

At the risk of being called a whinging, degree educated, bullying left winger, I bet that had the referendum gone in favour of remain, the screams for a second referendum would have been very loud, including some on here. As it is it won't happen.

Apropro nothing to do with this thread, there has been a ground swell of the young of this country complaining about the result, stating that the Baby Boomer generation have ruined their futures. I'm a Baby Boomer and I voted remain, but the moral some youngsters should take from this episode is that if you want to influence politics then there are times when you need to vote and get your mates to vote as well.

Yes when the TV cameras were at the likes of Brighton Uni all the students were remain. But they never went to building sites in London and Essex, where all the under 25's voted Out.

 

[londonblue]

I didn't say I don't understand it. I follow politics very closely and have done a lot of research into the EU. I made an informed decision.

But none of us have a crystal ball. We can't know for certain at the moment what will happen, we don't know what would happen if we'd voted to remain, but like I said I am optimistic and confident that we will get a good deal from Europe and will prosper without the constraints of the EU.

But you don't know if the outcome is going to be for the best?

 

[londonblue]

Yes when the TV cameras were at the likes of Brighton Uni all the students were remain. But they never went to building sites in London and Essex, where all the under 25's voted Out.

So what you're saying is that not all young people wanted to remain, and obviously that is the case, but this graphic makes interesting reading.



So, yes you're right, but the vast majority did want to remain, and as the graphic also shows, they're the ones that will have to live with the consequences the longest.

 

[rigsby]

So what you're saying is that not all young people wanted to remain, and obviously that is the case, but this graphic makes interesting reading.

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So, yes you're right, but the vast majority did want to remain, and as the graphic also shows, they're the ones that will have to live with the consequences the longest.

They will also live with all the benefits of Brexit for the longest. I would make far more money with a remain, but as I'm the sort of person who puts others first I voted out for their future.

I voted out for the young people who's parents can't pay their Uni fees and will not be able to provide a deposit for a house. The people on zero hours and above inflation rent rises, who can't afford a car or even one holiday a year. You keep talking about the risk of Brexit, but these young people have absolutely nothing to lose.

Under the EU and unlimited immigration they would be condemned to a live of misery. Today they have hope. Hope that we can make Brexit work for more people than just a few at the top. For us baby boomers and for them.

 

[MK Shrimper]

You Brexiters are fooling yourself. Both Gove & Johnson are pro-immigration - it'll still happen and I wouldn't be surprised if they give those from the EU that are here already a work visa - are you seriously thinking that in 2 years time the Government will forceably expel 1/2 million EU immigrants, those with full time jobs, kids in school and mortgages being paid? They barely touch the surface of the illegal immigrants here as it is.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I think we can both agree that a democratic vote has taken place and the result should stand. A second referendum would be a waste of money and time, and truthfully I don't think I could stomach another campaign. I think you are being a bit naïve to think that some prominent Leavers wouldn't have been squawking if the result had been the other way round.

....and you still couldn't be sure they wouldn't come up with the wrong result again! :winking:

 

[Bielzibubz]

You Brexiters are fooling yourself. Both Gove & Johnson are pro-immigration - it'll still happen and I wouldn't be surprised if they give those from the EU that are here already a work visa - are you seriously thinking that in 2 years time the Government will forceably expel 1/2 million EU immigrants, those with full time jobs, kids in school and mortgages being paid? They barely touch the surface of the illegal immigrants here as it is.

No body is talking about closing the borders to all migration and expelling all migrants already here. Where did you get that from? Of course migration from the EU will still happen. The difference being that now WE will be in control of it and we will be able to decide who comes, from where and for how long. Something that I think I'm right in saying all Brexiters that appeared in the media in the run up to the vote were saying when given the chance. Please point me in the direction of any article tor quote that states anything about forcibly deporting 1/2 million migrants.

There is a world of difference between anti uncontrolled EU migration and pro controlled EU migration. The fact you can't see this plain fact surprises me somewhat.

 

[southendkid]

Dan Hannan has said Brexit never intended to reduce net migration and they will be pushing for the same free movement of labour laws we already had whilst in the EU.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html

 

[GBJ]

There were plenty of righties as well.

After all you've said, you now say we won't know for years if this was the right decision? So you've voted for something you don't even understand, and can't predict?

Brilliant.

I'd hazard a guess that many people voted out, because they're sick of the current setup, and despite not having a clear indicator of what will happen, it's worth taking a risk, because they're fed up of the current state of affairs.

Maybe we'll end up In a worse situation. Maybe we won't. Until we try, we'll never know. IMO, and I dare say many others, that risk IS worth it, just to buck the current trend