The EU Referendum

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Interestingly,our former bank manager, has advised my wife to sell some shares she has here and invest them in British Blue chip companies,whose share price will inevitably fall,if the UK votes for Brexit next week.

I hope you're going to divorce the running dog of capitalist imperialism :smile:

I hope the bank manager was advising investing when the price falls.

 

[londonblue]

That doesn't seem to be the offer on the table though, does it?

Seems that this is very much a "forever vote". If you think we can just vote to stay under the premise that we can always leave later, then I fear that would be a mistake.

Of course it is. You either leave or stay. If you leave we need the consent of all the other members should we wish to go back in. If we stay it's our choice if we leave in the future.

 

[londonblue]

Interestingly,our former bank manager, has advised my wife to sell some shares she has here and invest them in British Blue chip companies,whose share price will inevitably fall,if the UK votes for Brexit next week.

That's a risk because it assumes the price will come back up for her to make a profit. Better she sells short now, and buys back after the vote.

:winking:

 

[londonblue]

Doesn't make it any less "speculation". It can't be reality until it's actually happened, or do these guys have a crystal ball?

how do you think America and Japan do trade with the rest of the world?

Pardon me for not wanting my country to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected, self important bigwigs....

If it were only the EU trade we were in for, then that would be fine.... but it's not is it? It's all the stupid rules and laws passed onto us.... http://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...hat-cost-the-UK-a-fortune-and-achieve-nothing

Those wanting to Remain either don't have enough confidence in our ability to go it alone, or have been brainwashed sufficiently by all the EU propaganda....

It is, and will be either way. What are the Lords and Civil Servants?

 

[Gremlin]

The economy is already dipping. Ftse100 has fallen 2% in a few days.

What does this prove? That markets fluctuate?

At the time of writing this the FTSE is up by 0.9% today.

 

[londonblue]

When it comes to the economy I'm not expert enough to work out what are the pros and cons of staying or leaving. I therefore listen to the experts:

Reuters

88% of experts (i.e. economists in the UK) say we should stay. That's not even close. Of course I fully expect Leavers to tell me a) they're wrong, and/or b) they're scaremongering, and/or c) tell me they know better.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Ten bombshells the EU is withholding until after the referendum: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-bombshells-EU-s-keeping-secret-ve-voted.html

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Brainwashed? Stupid insults I'm afraid. You want to wreck our economy fine. I don't. Let's leave it there. Just ask the question why are the vast and I mean vast majority of business leaders saying we should stay. The negative consequences are predictable and it is not speculation. Of course we'll survive. As well as if we stayed? No chance.

I read that Persimmon, (house builders) are deciding how to div up their 500 million profit amongst their board; money made (honestly) on the building of housing in the UK for the growth in population.
A few points; they aren't sharing the bonus with their workers as the vast majority are contractors (with only temporary security), nor their apprentices (few and poorly paid), nor are they giving it to community projects in the new housing areas: they are however advising the UK to stay in the EU. I am pleased that they are a successful business BUT also think they are taking the **** out of workers. Their bosses will want to buy some Rolls to cruise the streets that are paved in Euros for them if we stay in?
I don't think anyone will want to wreck our economy except our ex-partners in a Brexit vote success.
And Bullys, at school, work place or in charge of countries are NOT persons to support and spend time with..........No, Non, Nien?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I hope you're going to divorce the running dog of capitalist imperialism :smile:

I hope the bank manager was advising investing when the price falls.

Ha! Think we've been married too long now for that.:winking: (Anyway,she's a leftie, despite having inherited some property and cash).

Yes you're right about Jordi's advice.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

"Paul MasonVerified account
‏@paulmasonnews
Remain and Renegotiate! Labour should make a radical new offer on EU migration."

For all those who claimed Paul Mason was on the Leave side of the argument.

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/r...-the-brexit-bandwagon-fae8dda7e97e#.dy1a3r945

 

[superblue24]

"Paul MasonVerified account
‏@paulmasonnews
Remain and Renegotiate! Labour should make a radical new offer on EU migration."

For all those who claimed Paul Mason was on the Leave side of the argument.

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/r...-the-brexit-bandwagon-fae8dda7e97e#.dy1a3r945

He must be dreaming! What hope do we have of any bargaining power after the nation has voted to stay in Europe?

This is why I think the Leave vote will not be carried but instead used as bargaining power for a better deal with the EU.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

He must be dreaming! What hope do we have of any bargaining power after the nation has voted to stay in Europe?

This is why I think the Leave vote will not be carried but instead used as bargaining power for a better deal with the EU.

As I've said before, PM is nothing if not a maverick.

As for your conclusion, I would hope that voting remain will indeed be used for negotiating " a better deal with the EU".

 

[superblue24]

As I've said before, PM is nothing if not a maverick.

As for your conclusion, I would hope that voting remain will indeed be used for negotiating " a better deal with the EU".

How could it be though? You dont get better deals by openly endorsing the movement you are trying to get a better deal from....

DC: We've come for a better deal
EU: But your entire country has just backed staying with us already
DC: Oh yeah, um, awkward
EU: LOL

 

[Cricko]

The Remain vote (although that is their democratic right) are looking like a bunch of pussies. Have they no faith in their own capabilities anymore, than relying on a defunct EU that is doomed anyway. We have no say in a federal Germany run EU.

The more the scaremongers threaten oblivion to those that want to exit, the more the people in the UK will not tolerate such.

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world..F**** the EU and their nonsense, we are more than them, stand up and be counted, or are we pussies to?

 

[OldBlueLady]

Also, if pensioners are in the majority of voting out, then they can suck it up, frankly.

The people who have contributed most by way of deductions in their salaries to a NHS which is being abused on a daily basis? The people who fought for this country and for a way of life? The people who re-built this country after the bombing of WW2 and are the last to have experienced military service?

Shame on you. These are the people who feel most let down by Governments, who have sold them and the country down the river. And you want them to "suck it up"?

 

[RHB]

The economy is already dipping. Ftse100 has fallen 2% in a few days. The uncertainty before the referendum is already having an effect. It's fair to point out that a leave result will have very significant consequences for our economy and tough decisions may need to be had.

Also, if pensioners are in the majority of voting out, then they can suck it up, frankly.

Unlike you to be so sweeping in your criticism of pensioners. Most pensioners will vote because they always have, but how they vote has never been truly analysed. I believe that just as many pensioners will vote remain as those that vote exit. The difference is that the outs make more noise about it.

 

[Cricko]

To me it has never been about the money honey or the immigrants. It is about control of our own lives and rules to live here and be us, not dictated to by a faceless (sneak in the back door) dictatorship.

Pubey is talking out of his arse as he has no concept of reality above the people that have lived and breathed this country for so many years to give him his freedom.....funny how so many take our older peoples history as "suck it up"

Without us you would have no choice.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

The people who have contributed most by way of deductions in their salaries to a NHS which is being abused on a daily basis? The people who fought for this country and for a way of life? The people who re-built this country after the bombing of WW2 and are the last to have experienced military service?

Shame on you. These are the people who feel most let down by Governments, who have sold them and the country down the river. And you want them to "suck it up"?

I went to visit a friend at Southend Hospital today, 8th floor of Tower block, anyway, in the lift(s) I was the only Brit amongst 7/8, a few some type of Pol/Romanian, and a few either Indian/Pakistani/Arab; I cant be more specific as I don't speak their languages - I suppose the doctors/nurses and translators do. I don't begrudge them using the system however when the system is "broken" and falling apart it needs change that maybe only a Leave vote will empower the UK to make.

Or they might all just have been visiting British friends in a spirit of EU dreamlike bon homme?:blush:

 

[Pubey]

To me it has never been about the money honey or the immigrants. It is about control of our own lives and rules to live here and be us, not dictated to by a faceless (sneak in the back door) dictatorship.

Pubey is talking out of his arse as he has no concept of reality above the people that have lived and breathed this country for so many years to give him his freedom.....funny how so many take our older peoples history as "suck it up"

Without us you would have no choice.

You don't know anything about me so don't be so presumptuous and patronising. Pensioners should be prepared to bare the impact of the consequences of their vote - just like the rest of us.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

You don't know anything about me so do be so presumptuous and patronising. Pensioners should be prepared to bare the impact of the consequences of their vote - just like the rest of us.

I'm with you on this one Pubey and I'm effing old.