The EU Referendum

[Massimo Giovanni]

I'm certainly old enough to remember both scenarios.

Inside the EU is much better for a host of reasons.

With respect, you visit the UK so your view may be more that of a tourist than a resident: you don't pay UK tax, or face the central worries of NHS, schooling, crime & such stresses.
You are welcome to stay in the EU and I am surprised that you and so many expats have not gone down the route of becoming a full citizen of where you live, be it France or Spain.

 

[mfurok]

It doesn't answer the question at all, but I suspect you already knew that.

Browns intervention is far too late, perhaps he should have listened to peoples concerns when he was in power, delivered the referendum on the Lisbon treaty that was promised, instead he decided to call his voters bigots.

He didn't learn his lesson then, and he hasn't now.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ign-takes-six-point-lead-in-guardianicm-polls


I suggest you look at the latest polls Barna, and comfort yourself with your own words which were I think, that you believed in the innate good sense of the British public :smile:

Hang on.........and screw everyone's pensions.......don't forget that.

 

[mfurok]

I have and I do.Which is why I don't believe the polls.:smile:

Contradiction in terms.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Cameron is plunging new depths with the latest bilge he's putting out there, in my opinion, this will only make pensioners more likely to vote for Brexit!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-puts-aid-pensioners.html?ito=social-facebook

 

[londonblue]

Or perhaps those old enough to remember life both outside and inside the EU are best judged to draw comparisons.

This is our one chance to save ourselves from what is going to become a stronger dictatorship where we are going to lose control of our own destiny.

Actually it's not. What if we leave, and then years down the road decide it was a bad move? Then we need the agreement of all the other nations to allow us back in.

What if we stay and years down the road decide it was a bad move? Then we only need our own agreement to leave.

 

[superblue24]

Actually it's not. What if we leave, and then years down the road decide it was a bad move? Then we need the agreement of all the other nations to allow us back in.

What if we stay and years down the road decide it was a bad move? Then we only need our own agreement to leave.

That doesn't seem to be the offer on the table though, does it?

Seems that this is very much a "forever vote". If you think we can just vote to stay under the premise that we can always leave later, then I fear that would be a mistake.

 

[Supernaut]

Cameron is plunging new depths with the latest bilge he's putting out there, in my opinion, this will only make pensioners more likely to vote for Brexit!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-puts-aid-pensioners.html?ito=social-facebook

Man's a complete ****ing scumbag.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Or perhaps those old enough to remember life both outside and inside the EU are best judged to draw comparisons.

This is our one chance to save ourselves from what is going to become a stronger dictatorship where we are going to lose control of our own destiny.

well they say nostagia ain't what it used to be. Industrial wastelands, union barons dictating left right and centre, Red Robbo, not producing anything that anyone wanted, crap cars if they were ever built, credit squeeze, racism bigotry you name it it was there. Oh we had Concorde but that was a joint effort with the bloody frogs. But I'll give you this, the music was great and we were young.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Cameron is plunging new depths with the latest bilge he's putting out there, in my opinion, this will only make pensioners more likely to vote for Brexit!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-puts-aid-pensioners.html?ito=social-facebook

sorry Kay, if the economy dips which it will we will have less to pay for everything. Hard choices will need to be made. Project fear is nothing of the sort. Just telling people the bleeding obvious. And think about my AVCs with the stock market crashing :omg:. Vote Remain.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

A bit of reality for all

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36534172

 

[Pubey]

sorry Kay, if the economy dips which it will we will have less to pay for everything. Hard choices will need to be made. Project fear is nothing of the sort. Just telling people the bleeding obvious. And think about my AVCs with the stock market crashing :omg:. Vote Remain.

The economy is already dipping. Ftse100 has fallen 2% in a few days. The uncertainty before the referendum is already having an effect. It's fair to point out that a leave result will have very significant consequences for our economy and tough decisions may need to be had.

Also, if pensioners are in the majority of voting out, then they can suck it up, frankly.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

The economy is already dipping. Ftse100 has fallen 2% in a few days. The uncertainty before the referendum is already having an effect. It's fair to point out that a leave result will have very significant consequences for our economy and tough decisions may need to be had.

Also, if pensioners are in the majority of voting out, then they can suck it up, frankly.

just what I was saying, Pubey. Shares lost a lot on a few bad polls. Why do people think it's all a bit of a joke to give the EU a bloody nose. Do they not understand the basics of economics. It really does remind me of Scottish politics. The record of the Nats is appalling. Higher unemployment than the rest of the UK, lower growtg, worse performing schools and Health Service (which is fully devolved) and still the buggers support them. They might be crap but they are OUR crap. The equivalent of an adolescent wrecking their bedroom. When will people wake up.

 

[superblue24]

A bit of speculation for all

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36534172

Edited for accuracy

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Edited for accuracy

yeah the head of Rolls Royce and the CBI know nothing about business. Wake up for Christ's sake.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

The economy is already dipping. Ftse100 has fallen 2% in a few days. The uncertainty before the referendum is already having an effect. It's fair to point out that a leave result will have very significant consequences for our economy and tough decisions may need to be had.

Also, if pensioners are in the majority of voting out, then they can suck it up, frankly.

I did predict shares falling 5-10% on a Brexit. Might have been a conservative estimate.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I did predict shares falling 5-10% on a Brexit. Might have been a conservative estimate.

Interestingly,our former bank manager, has advised my wife to sell some shares she has here and invest them in British Blue chip companies,whose share price will inevitably fall,if the UK votes for Brexit next week.

 

[superblue24]

yeah the head of Rolls Royce and the CBI know nothing about business. Wake up for Christ's sake.

Doesn't make it any less "speculation". It can't be reality until it's actually happened, or do these guys have a crystal ball?

how do you think America and Japan do trade with the rest of the world?

Pardon me for not wanting my country to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected, self important bigwigs....

If it were only the EU trade we were in for, then that would be fine.... but it's not is it? It's all the stupid rules and laws passed onto us.... http://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...hat-cost-the-UK-a-fortune-and-achieve-nothing

Those wanting to Remain either don't have enough confidence in our ability to go it alone, or have been brainwashed sufficiently by all the EU propaganda....

 

[MK Shrimper]

Pardon me for not wanting my country to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected, self important bigwigs....

What, like the House Of Lords?

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Those wanting to Remain either don't have enough confidence in our ability to go it alone, or have been brainwashed sufficiently by all the EU propaganda....

Brainwashed? Stupid insults I'm afraid. You want to wreck our economy fine. I don't. Let's leave it there. Just ask the question why are the vast and I mean vast majority of business leaders saying we should stay. The negative consequences are predictable and it is not speculation. Of course we'll survive. As well as if we stayed? No chance.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

With respect, you visit the UK so your view may be more that of a tourist than a resident: you don't pay UK tax, or face the central worries of NHS, schooling, crime & such stresses.
You are welcome to stay in the EU and I am surprised that you and so many expats have not gone down the route of becoming a full citizen of where you live, be it France or Spain.

TBH,I've never seriously considered doing this.

Don't think it would benefit me financially,even though I (jointly) own property here. I'd be reluctant to lose my British heritage,in any case.

Additionally,the basis on which former UK citizens would be welcome to remain in other EU member states, in the event of Brexit, would be something of a moot point.