The EU Referendum

[Bielzibubz]

And to flip it right back again x 9

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...xit-trade-deals-lined-up-economic-powerhouses

 

[Bielzibubz]

Whilst, on the other side of the coin........................

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/16/research-funding-hit-by-brexit-vote

And no where in that totally one sided piece does it mention the fact that it's intended that the vast majority of scientific and technological EU grants that currently find their way to the UK will be met from UK Government finances once new application guidelines for each sector have been established. Still, that doesn't make good Remainer reading now does it.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

And no where in that totally one sided piece does it mention the fact that it's intended that the vast majority of scientific and technological EU grants that currently find their way to the UK will be met from UK Government finances once new application guidelines for each sector have been established. Still, that doesn't make good Remainer reading now does it.

With respect, yes it does.

"Neither, for good measure, does the newly reappointed science minister Jo Johnson. He told a House of Lords committee in March it would be rash to pretend it would be easy to replace the financial support the EU provides to UK science in the event of Brexit. “We would not know what other claims there might be on the public purse, or what state our economy would be in,” he said.

Did you read the article? Yes, it does come from a view point but it does also try to include some balance.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055

It's not China, India or the US but it is a start. Australia is putting the GREAT back into Britain.

It rather depends on what terms these trade deals will be on.

I'm sure there are countries queuing up to do a trade deal with us as they see easy pickings from a government desperate to conclude a trade deal to make a political point.

It's like when I bought my place I was able to chip off a considerable amount as I knew it was coming up to the developer's year end and they'd want a quick sale. Had they held on another 3 months they could have got 25% more. They managed a quick sale but at what price?

The other reason countries are keen to do a deal is that we lack the expertise. It's like the PFI deals where we got really bad value for money deals because for political reasons the government had made that the only option and the government lacked the expertise to properly negotiate and got played completely.

We can have a trade agreement on the other country's terms fairly quickly. But if we want a trade deal on terms beneficial to us that's going to take a lot longer.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I think you should become an MP and then run for PM. You clearly have far more experience and know far more than any of them :smile:

I'd hate to live in your world. Absolutely everything on the political and economic horizon is doom and gloom. You seem to take great joy is picking to bits articles in the media and other peoples posts to justify your pessimistic and gloomy forecast for the future. And yes, I know what your going to say. It's because you can see and we're all plebs with rose tinted glasses that can't see the end of our noses let alone the financial and political disaster that, in your world is inevitably just around the corner.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I also think that a lot of the Remainers are so bitter and twisted at the result that they cannot even begin to contemplate the thought of things actually, God forbid, being Ok for good Old Blighty post Brexit :winking:

 

[rigsby]

I think you should become an MP and then run for PM. You clearly have far more experience and know far more than any of them :smile:

I'd hate to live in your world. Absolutely everything on the political and economic horizon is doom and gloom. You seem to take great joy is picking to bits articles in the media and other peoples posts to justify your pessimistic and gloomy forecast for the future. And yes, I know what your going to say. It's because you can see and we're all plebs with rose tinted glasses that can't see the end of our noses let alone the financial and political disaster that, in your world is inevitably just around the corner.

Yorkshire is the same on the football side of things. Simon Cox is apparently a 'high risk' signing. Not sure how a player with a proven track record, no injurie problems and signed on a free by a club who can't afford to be fussy, could be considered anything other than a no-brainer. Still as you say some people are bitter about Brexit and bitter about PB and would love to see both fail.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055

It's not China, India or the US but it is a start. Australia is putting the GREAT back into Britain.

You do realise-I hope-that the UK has to exit the EU first before it can conclude any trade deal with Australia?

 

[Gremlin]

You do realise-I hope-that the UK has to exit the EU first before it can conclude any trade deal with Australia?

Given that it's clearly mentioned in the article I would have thought that ORM is aware. The article also states that these deals can take a while to negotiate so getting discussions underway ahead of Brexit makes complete sense.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I think you should become an MP and then run for PM. You clearly have far more experience and know far more than any of them :smile:

I'd hate to live in your world. Absolutely everything on the political and economic horizon is doom and gloom. You seem to take great joy is picking to bits articles in the media and other peoples posts to justify your pessimistic and gloomy forecast for the future. And yes, I know what your going to say. It's because you can see and we're all plebs with rose tinted glasses that can't see the end of our noses let alone the financial and political disaster that, in your world is inevitably just around the corner.

I don't think you do, we are, politically, clearly planets apart. I do admire your optimistic outlook, your belief in things turning out well has an almost fundementalist zeal about it. You correctly point to my air of pessimism but that goes far further than just the issue of Britain and its relation to Europe. I do have a hint of envy at anyone capable of looking around the World and finding things to cheer about at the moment. The whole world economic situation, terrorism, east/West relations, the state of the planet, racial conflict in the US............I could go on. I suppose I'm not a glass half empty or half full man.....rather one that is nearly empty! Oh! and before I go on, I do think that Cox was a very good signing for us. Anyway with what I've mentioned, Europe and its relation to the UK is really pretty small beer, yet that's what we are talking about, so let's keep to the subject.

Am I still bitter............yes, sure I am..................if you had been the 48%, you would be too. I'm already suffering the effects of Brexit, seeing a 15% drop in the small pension I get from my time working in England. Yet this is a very minor issue, for me there are far more important things.
I am not one of the supporters of a second referendum, although I do feel the first was terribly flawed. To decide such a major issue on a simple majority was idiotic. Something that could only be thought up in the mind a chancer whose supreme arrogance led him to believe that a Brexit vote was out of the quastion. Yet, as they say, that's water under the bridge..... we are where we are.
What you complain about in my posts, can be equally well be criticised in Brexiters posts. Conviction Brexiters will be determined pick up anything positive (Australian trade deal) to back up their optimism for life after the EU. You're there to defend the direction just over half the voters decided to take. Remainers will want to point out the error which has been made and will try and provide evidence to back up their claim.............that's quite normal, isn't it?
Who will be right in the end, we shall have to wait many years to see but during that time each side will continue to make their claims and counter claims with equal conviction.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I fully agree. We are galaxies apart when it comes to the political spectrum and this argument and counter argument will go on for many months to come. We'll have to agree to disagree on virtually everything but in doing so also respect each others right to voice those opinions and convictions :winking:

Glass nearly empty huh. My glass is neither half empty or half full. Whatever room it has left in it is a personal opportunity/challenge to fill it as far as I can.

 

[Swiss Tony]

You do realise-I hope-that the UK has to exit the EU first before it can conclude any trade deal with Australia?

Can't come quick enough Tangers.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Can't come quick enough Tangers.

As long as it's not sorted out before April 2017 I'll be quite happy.:winking:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Actually, when you think about it, there is a cruel logic in what he says the remain side were offering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcXf1Fz5Fw4

 

[Benfleet A1]

As long as it's not sorted out before April 2017 I'll be quite happy.:winking:

Looking out for No1 eh? How very socialist of you.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Looking out for No1 eh? How very socialist of you.

Now come on Alan, you should know that some are more equal than others.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I think you should become an MP and then run for PM. You clearly have far more experience and know far more than any of them :smile:

Wow. Did it really escape your notice that all the experts, all the experienced people - the PM, the Governor of the Bank of England, the head of the IMF, the President of the USA etc etc were all lining up to say that this would be a bad idea?

I'm not the one claiming that I know better than all of them - that's you.

 

[rigsby]

Wow. Did it really escape your notice that all the experts, all the experienced people - the PM, the Governor of the Bank of England, the head of the IMF, the President of the USA etc etc were all lining up to say that this would be a bad idea?

I'm not the one claiming that I know better than all of them - that's you.

And the likes of Sir, James Dyson. A smarter man than any of your 3 non British examples, wouldn't you agree.

 

[Benfleet A1]

And the likes of Sir, James Dyson. A smarter man than any of your 3 non British examples, wouldn't you agree.

Just remind me where Jamez Dyson builds his product.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Wow. Did it really escape your notice that all the experts, all the experienced people - the PM, the Governor of the Bank of England, the head of the IMF, the President of the USA etc etc were all lining up to say that this would be a bad idea?

I'm not the one claiming that I know better than all of them - that's you.

The PM is such a good judge that he stated he would win referendum 60% to 40% so he isn't exactly "spot on" is he?
The Guv of B of England, Guv employee follows Guv line........shock horror he agrees!
Head of IMF, again shock horror that they understand that upheaval could cost bith in the UK,EU and elsewhere so they don't favour it.
Barack O..........are yes Pres of USA wants what is best for USA which is/was the UK at the table and showing a lead within the EU.
What other, any, INDEPENDENT opinions without self interest have you?
Nigel Lawson? Oh, he was a Brexit. Paxman, oh another B:whistling:rexit.