The EU Referendum

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

We are after all British.

I fear we may not be for too much longer.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Ah Bojo in the Foreign Office. Might not be wise to insult the Chinese in that job. He has a tendency to do that.

There's a pretty impressive world map here of all the countries Bojo has insulted in his Torygraph columns and elsewhere:-

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...tries-boris-johnson-has-offended--W1zaTLC63rW

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I fear we may not be for too much longer.

I can't say that being detached from the loathsome Scots makes me particularly fearful.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Do likes equate to rep? I guess they do, they are like what Spotify is to physical sales. Kinda.

I don't see that as a democratic process when the whole thing was built on lies. The terms of the referendum were set by someone who at the GE claimed to be neutral on the outcome and then resigned due to the outcome. The whole thing was a farce from start to finish. People were voting for lies whichever way they voted - just that one leads to a level of change that will cripple the functions of government and one would leave things as they were.

Oh yes, we were and are crippled as a nation aren't we. Rubbish is piling up in the streets. There's looting in the high streets. The pound has dropped below the $1 mark and the FTSE 250 has had £384 trillion whipped off it's value. There's dissent and anarchy at every turn......what shall we do?

We're doomed Mr Mainwaring, doomed I tell ye :facepalm:

As an aside. I work directly in the supply of materials to the commercial, industrial and residential building sectors and our order books are absolutely overflowing with work from all quarters. Now, I can pretty much 100% guarantee that as a company with on average £1m plus sales per month we'd have seen a downturn in the work coming in if the building industry was in such turmoil as has been reported of late. Granted, it is early days and we've yet to see the impact of the Brexit on the price of a barrel of the black stuff (if there's even going to be one, the jury's out on that one too) and that could have a short sharp impact on our business but it's certainly something that we've planned for should it happen.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Oh yes, we were and are crippled as a nation aren't we. Rubbish is piling up in the streets. There's looting in the high streets. The pound has dropped below the $1 mark and the FTSE 250 has had £384 trillion whipped off it's value. There's dissent and anarchy at every turn......what shall we do?

We're doomed Mr Mainwaring, doomed I tell ye :facepalm:

As an aside. I work directly in the supply of materials to the commercial, industrial and residential building sectors and our order books are absolutely overflowing with work from all quarters. Now, I can pretty much 100% guarantee that as a company with on average £1m plus sales per month we'd have seen a downturn in the work coming in if the building industry was in such turmoil as has been reported of late. Granted, it is early days and we've yet to see the impact of the Brexit on the price of a barrel of the black stuff (if there's even going to be one, the jury's out on that one too) and that could have a short sharp impact on our business but it's certainly something that we've planned for should it happen.

re-read ;cripple the functions of the government' - ie the excessive time spent on replacing red tape with new red tape.

You are aware that nothing has actually happened yet? Currently we are in the EU.

 

[Bielzibubz]

re-read ;cripple the functions of the government' - ie the excessive time spent on replacing red tape with new red tape.

You are aware that nothing has actually happened yet? Currently we are in the EU.

My apologies, it was late :winking:

My point was that if there was going to be this great calamitous downturn and recession of the UK economy we'd have seen the start of it by now and certainly using my own place of work as a benchmark it clearly hasn't.

 

[londonblue]

My apologies, it was late :winking:

My point was that if there was going to be this great calamitous downturn and recession of the UK economy we'd have seen the start of it by now and certainly using my own place of work as a benchmark it clearly hasn't.

No you wouldn't. In fact you may never see it, but after a while we'll all suddenly notice a whole load of jobs have disappeared to other European countries. I was out for a curry last night with some friends. One of them is something like 2nd in command of worldwide compliance for a bank. He's been told that his whole London department is one of the ones being considered for relocation to Paris. He will be ok, he'll just have to work in Paris 2-odd days a week. The issue is all the people that work for him. I guess they'll either have to relocate or lose their jobs. This is only one department of about 150 people, but this is only of a number of departments being considered. If you multiply this by all the departments in all the banks then it's quite a lot of jobs.

This transition will also take time, but in a few years time all these jobs will be lost.

 

[Bielzibubz]

But we were led to believe by the Reamainers that the world as we know it was coming to an end on the 24th June. Many media in the days after Brexit were saying there was already a 10% to 15% downturn in UK house building. I can tell you that ain't the case, believe me.

And no doubt the media will jump all over those jobs that have been lost and not mention the one's that have been created through exports to other areas of the worlds trade markets that were previously closed.

Many, many if's, buts and maybe's on the horizon and no one can foresee the amount of jobs that will be lost and indeed the amount of jobs that will be gained.

We seem to have gone from an immediate post Brexit calamitous recession the likes of which none of us have seen before with a multitude of major multinationals falling over themselves to get on the nearest ferry out of the UK as soon as possible to a more balanced and intelligent view that after all, with the right application and time frame put in place the 'hits' the UK economy will have to take aren't that bad after all. This is certainly reflected in the financial markets of late.

 

[londonblue]

But we were led to believe by the Reamainers that the world as we know it was coming to an end on the 24th June. Many media in the days after Brexit were saying there was already a 10% to 15% downturn in UK house building. I can tell you that ain't the case, believe me.

And no doubt the media will jump all over those jobs that have been lost and not mention the one's that have been created through exports to other areas of the worlds trade markets that were previously closed.

Many, many if's, buts and maybe's on the horizon and no one can foresee the amount of jobs that will be lost and indeed the amount of jobs that will be gained.

We seem to have gone from an immediate post Brexit calamitous recession the likes of which none of us have seen before with a multitude of major multinationals falling over themselves to get on the nearest ferry out of the UK as soon as possible to a more balanced and intelligent view that after all, with the right application and time frame put in place the 'hits' the UK economy will have to take aren't that bad after all. This is certainly reflected in the financial markets of late.

I don't have to believe you. I never said that would happen, and most people didn't either. What was said is that it would be the beginning of a slump. That slump will take years to happen, and people won't really notice the difference, but incrementally loads of jobs would be lost, such as the ones I mentioned above.

The people in these lower level jobs will then have to find other jobs, and in a number of years time all these jobs will be lost and we'll wonder where they all went. It won't happen over night, it will happen over a number of years, and it will happen incrementally.

It's interesting because I never heard anyone (other than perhaps Camerscum) saying it will happen immediately. People said it would happen, but didn't put a time scale on it. If you understood that to mean it would happen immediately I would say you've misunderstood.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I can't say that being detached from the loathsome Scots makes me particularly fearful.

Why are they all "loathsome". My wife isn't, my mother-in-law isn't (though she has her moments). Paul Sturrock seemed like a nice chap.

We may as well call all Americans stupid, though that Noam Chomsky speaks some sense.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

My apologies, it was late :winking:

My point was that if there was going to be this great calamitous downturn and recession of the UK economy we'd have seen the start of it by now and certainly using my own place of work as a benchmark it clearly hasn't.

Far too early for any figures to be out yet for Q3.They'll be the ones to watch out for.

Unless you work in housing,banking or the city,it's unlikely that you'd be adversely affected yet.

 

[rigsby]

No you wouldn't. In fact you may never see it, but after a while we'll all suddenly notice a whole load of jobs have disappeared to other European countries. I was out for a curry last night with some friends. One of them is something like 2nd in command of worldwide compliance for a bank. He's been told that his whole London department is one of the ones being considered for relocation to Paris. He will be ok, he'll just have to work in Paris 2-odd days a week. The issue is all the people that work for him. I guess they'll either have to relocate or lose their jobs. This is only one department of about 150 people, but this is only of a number of departments being considered. If you multiply this by all the departments in all the banks then it's quite a lot of jobs.

This transition will also take time, but in a few years time all these jobs will be lost.

Just to remind you project fear failed, the result should tell you.

Jobs in the city have been disappearing long before Brexit. Credit Swiss were already moving jobs to Poland etc. Maybe they should have moved them to Sunderland. For those of you who only care what happens in their own little selfish world that's a large city in the north east of England, that rarely sees the benefits of economic growth or large scale immigration.

By the way the doomsday budget with tax rises and pensioners forced into poverty has been cancelled. So as you would love to see politicians held accountable for lying to the public (who wouldn't) lets start with Boy George.....I believe he was firmly in the remain camp.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Heavy Brexit then?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-theresa-may-cabinet-chancellor-a7136101.html

 

[leeblue]

Heavy Brexit then?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-theresa-may-cabinet-chancellor-a7136101.html

Bollox from another torie toff. The EU as a group will slap massive tariffs on business and make things very difficult/costly. Our only chance is maybe playing the 'massive customer card' the Germans will want to sell us cars etc etc we are a huge customer.....we should play hard ball and threaten to take our custom away. Apart from that we are in a difficult place in terms of negotiating with the EU.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Bollox from another torie toff. The EU as a group will slap massive tariffs on business and make things very difficult/costly. Our only chance is maybe playing the 'massive customer card' the Germans will want to sell us cars etc etc we are a huge customer.....we should play hard ball and threaten to take our custom away. Apart from that we are in a difficult place in terms of negotiating with the EU.

I'll have a £10 donation to SZ bet with you right now that the EU don't slap 'massive' (you're words) tariffs on UK businesses and make things difficult/costly for them. Quite how one gauges what's massive as opposed to just large or rather big is another matter entirely but I'm willing to have a wager with you. Also what constitutes 'difficult/costly' is open to interpretation too but hey ho, what the hell. Do we have a bet?

 

[leeblue]

I'll have a £10 donation to SZ bet with you right now that the EU don't slap 'massive' (you're words) tariffs on UK businesses and make things difficult/costly for them. Quite how one gauges what's massive as opposed to just large or rather big is another matter entirely but I'm willing to have a wager with you. Also what constitutes 'difficult/costly' is open to interpretation too but hey ho, what the hell. Do we have a bet?

How do we determine a winner....any tariffs would be a massive increase on zero???

 

[rigsby]

How do we determine a winner....any tariffs would be a massive increase on zero???

The same way we settle everything this summer......Tribunal.

 

[leeblue]

The same way we settle everything this summer......Tribunal.

Hee hee.....

 

[* ORM *]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055

It's not China, India or the US but it is a start. Australia is putting the GREAT back into Britain.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055

It's not China, India or the US but it is a start. Australia is putting the GREAT back into Britain.

Whilst, on the other side of the coin........................

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/16/research-funding-hit-by-brexit-vote