The EU Referendum

[rigsby]

On reflection perhaps you'd be diplomatically better working with Johnson. The problem I'm having is deciding which end of the pantomime horse you'd be. :smile::winking: Sorry, couldn't resist it!

I would love to help out with my international diplomacy skills but I'm just to busy at the moment. Boris might play the buffoon but he gets results.....like winning the referendum for brexit.

Much rather have him rugby tackling those Brussels bureaucrats than the rest of the career politicians

 

[rigsby]

I am completely at ease with the result, I now just want the Brexit side to live up to their promises, three of which they seem to have already broken.

Out of interest, if we had voted to remain, then how much of the £350 million would go to the NHS

 

[RHB]

I am completely at ease with the result, I now just want the Brexit side to live up to their promises, three of which they seem to have already broken.

There weren't any promises, just examples of possible outcomes that sounded a lot like promises if you didn't listen properly. The latest theory is that a sizeable minority of the baby boomers that voted leave are hard of hearing and they thought they had heard promises.

 

[Jam_Man]

Out of interest, if we had voted to remain, then how much of the £350 million would go to the NHS

No one said it would, which is the point. Remain knew the money couldnt be just given to the NHS because its used elsewhere already.

350 was always nonsense figure anyway, but it wasnt just donated and never seen again. Now we need to use the money that we gave the EU to plug the holes and who knows what we will have to contribute to be in the single market.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Been to Sainsbury's in South Woodford today. Happy to report that shelves are pretty much still stocked. Apparently, the Waitrose down the road a bit is reporting similar patterns. It seems the world is still trading with us despite WW3 on it's way.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I would love to help out with my international diplomacy skills but I'm just to busy at the moment. Boris might play the buffoon but he gets results.....like winning the referendum for brexit.

Much rather have him rugby tackling those Brussels bureaucrats than the rest of the career politicians

On a more serious note, it's just the way you view the coming negociations that draw such comments and images from me. You make the UK sound rather like a large supermarket group going into talks with one of its small producers. Here's the deal, take it or leave it, phone us when you're ready to sign! :smile: You make it sound as if the UK will be in control of the discussions.... I would wish that were the case for Britain (but not for the rest of Europe). As I understand, from all I've read, (and that doesn't necessarily mean it's right), as soon as article 50 is invoked, the UK will be in a disadvantageous position regarding negociation. Far from holding all the cards, it will be up to the UK team to extract the best deal possible.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

OK, but you do realize that's ridiculous, right?

You Remainers were complaining about the intelligence of the folk that voted out, but you now want to furnish them with a complicated ballot paper like that with which to plot out our path out of the EU? How is (for example) a road-sweeper going to make any sense of that kind of document and be in any position to make an informed decision.

I thought governments were voted in to take care of this sort of thing..... no?

Whilst you seem keen to micro manage our exit from the EU, I think most of everyone else is done with referendums now.

If governments were voted in to take care of this sort of thing, why was there a referendum in the first place? The government's position was to Remain.

I am not proposing a complicated ballot paper and the issues behind any second referendum are no more complicated than the issue involved in the first referendum.

Neither am I proposing micro-managing an exit from the EU. I'm proposing that the new government should allow us to ratify the direction that they propose.

I don't know which version of Leave you thought you were voting for, but the chances are that whilst I opposed it you will end up being more dissatisfied with the outcome than me.

 

[rigsby]

On a more serious note, it's just the way you view the coming negociations that draw such comments and images from me. You make the UK sound rather like a large supermarket group going into talks with one of its small producers. Here's the deal, take it or leave it, phone us when you're ready to sign! :smile: You make it sound as if the UK will be in control of the discussions.... I would wish that were the case for Britain (but not for the rest of Europe). As I understand, from all I've read, (and that doesn't necessarily mean it's right), as soon as article 50 is invoked, the UK will be in a disadvantageous position regarding negociation. Far from holding all the cards, it will be up to the UK team to extract the best deal possible.

The USA sell more goods to the EU than Britain without the need for any complicated trade deals or a £10billion bung to Brussels, or free movement of EU nationals.

The EU lose if they have a trade war with us, just ask the head of Mercedes. Brussels will make empty threats but the European multi nationals will over rule them. You remainers and Boris just need to hold your nerve.

Remember last season v Col U at home. Lots of gobby little idiots from North Essex making all sorts of threats and about to overrun our stewards. All it took was one good man to leap over the fence and give them a slap and they behave themselves and go home quietly.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The USA sell more goods to the EU than Britain without the need for any complicated trade deals or a £10billion bung to Brussels, or free movement of EU nationals.

The EU lose if they have a trade war with us, just ask the head of Mercedes. Brussels will make empty threats but the European multi nationals will over rule them. You remainers and Boris just need to hold your nerve.

Remember last season v Col U at home. Lots of gobby little idiots from North Essex making all sorts of threats and about to overrun our stewards. All it took was one good man to leap over the fence and give them a slap and they behave themselves and go home quietly.

Do you think Merkel is going to give us a slap then?:sad:

 

[Benfleet A1]

The USA sell more goods to the EU than Britain without the need for any complicated trade deals or a £10billion bung to Brussels, or free movement of EU nationals.

The EU lose if they have a trade war with us, just ask the head of Mercedes. Brussels will make empty threats but the European multi nationals will over rule them. You remainers and Boris just need to hold your nerve.

Remember last season v Col U at home. Lots of gobby little idiots from North Essex making all sorts of threats and about to overrun our stewards. All it took was one good man to leap over the fence and give them a slap and they behave themselves and go home quietly.

After reading that I just don't know what I was worrying about in the first place. Utopia here we come.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Been to Sainsbury's in South Woodford today. Happy to report that shelves are pretty much still stocked. Apparently, the Waitrose down the road a bit is reporting similar patterns. It seems the world is still trading with us despite WW3 on it's way.

There was only one person who made a WW3 reference and that was David Cameron - a man who I am sure we can all agree is an absolute tool.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

The USA sell more goods to the EU than Britain without the need for any complicated trade deals or a £10billion bung to Brussels, or free movement of EU nationals.

The EU lose if they have a trade war with us, just ask the head of Mercedes. Brussels will make empty threats but the European multi nationals will over rule them. You remainers and Boris just need to hold your nerve.

Remember last season v Col U at home. Lots of gobby little idiots from North Essex making all sorts of threats and about to overrun our stewards. All it took was one good man to leap over the fence and give them a slap and they behave themselves and go home quietly.

You're David Davis and I claim my £5!

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

There was only one person who made a WW3 reference and that was David Cameron - a man who I am sure we can all agree is an absolute tool.

I believe that MK Shrimper mentioned WW3 being a possible result of the appointment of Mr Johnson as Foreign Secretary. I'm sure we can all agree that MK is....a decent chap with deeply held political beliefs that are bat **** crazy. I'm not a great fan of Mr Cameron, but I am loathe to agree with you about anything other than the Mighty Shrimpers, so cannot concur that he is 'an absolute tool'.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I believe that MK Shrimper mentioned WW3 being a possible result of the appointment of Mr Johnson as Foreign Secretary. I'm sure we can all agree that MK is....a decent chap with deeply held political beliefs that are bat **** crazy. I'm not a great fan of Mr Cameron, but I am loathe to agree with you about anything other than the Mighty Shrimpers, so cannot concur that he is 'an absolute tool'.

Me? Ahem....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

 

[rigsby]

After reading that I just don't know what I was worrying about in the first place. Utopia here we come.

Pleased to hear it, glad I could help. Been far to much panicking over the referendum, lets all chill and get on with it. We are after all British.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Me? Ahem....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

Yes sir, you. Ahem.....

http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?90255-Conservative-Leadership-Contest/page12 (post 178)

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yes sir, you. Ahem.....

http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?90255-Conservative-Leadership-Contest/page12 (post 178)

Ah Bojo in the Foreign Office. Might not be wise to insult the Chinese in that job. He has a tendency to do that.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I might be wrong, but I think you're moaning about rep. And that is indeed a bigger sin that being a whining ninny who is flabbergasted that more than one person finds it tiresome that you won't accept the outcome of the democratic process.

Do likes equate to rep? I guess they do, they are like what Spotify is to physical sales. Kinda.

I don't see that as a democratic process when the whole thing was built on lies. The terms of the referendum were set by someone who at the GE claimed to be neutral on the outcome and then resigned due to the outcome. The whole thing was a farce from start to finish. People were voting for lies whichever way they voted - just that one leads to a level of change that will cripple the functions of government and one would leave things as they were.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Do likes equate to rep? I guess they do, they are like what Spotify is to physical sales. Kinda.

I don't see that as a democratic process when the whole thing was built on lies. The terms of the referendum were set by someone who at the GE claimed to be neutral on the outcome and then resigned due to the outcome. The whole thing was a farce from start to finish. People were voting for lies whichever way they voted - just that one leads to a level of change that will cripple the functions of government and one would leave things as they were.

Perhaps a majority of people are not heartily opposed to 'crippling the functions of government'. I know I'm not.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Perhaps a majority of people are not heartily opposed to 'crippling the functions of government'. I know I'm not.

They will still have to do all the crappy government stuff but it will just be years of replacing various types of red tape with other types of red tape and with mass confusion in the meantime.