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The EU Referendum

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How are you voting?

  • Leave

    Votes: 58 56.3%

  • Remain

    Votes: 45 43.7%
  • Total voters
    103
  • Poll closed .
Massimo Giovanni said:
The PM is such a good judge that he stated he would win referendum 60% to 40% so he isn't exactly "spot on" is he?
The Guv of B of England, Guv employee follows Guv line........shock horror he agrees!
Head of IMF, again shock horror that they understand that upheaval could cost bith in the UK,EU and elsewhere so they don't favour it.
Barack O..........are yes Pres of USA wants what is best for USA which is/was the UK at the table and showing a lead within the EU.
What other, any, INDEPENDENT opinions without self interest have you?
Nigel Lawson? Oh, he was a Brexit. Paxman, oh another B:whistling:rexit.
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So instead of discussing the issues raised you revert to the same thing that the leave campaign have always done: attack the person.
 
Yorkshire Blue said:
Wow. Did it really escape your notice that all the experts, all the experienced people - the PM, the Governor of the Bank of England, the head of the IMF, the President of the USA etc etc were all lining up to say that this would be a bad idea?

I'm not the one claiming that I know better than all of them - that's you.
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The PM - Well of course he would. He knows what side of the retirement bread would have been buttered had we voted to stay

The IMF. Is that the same IMF who have now revised their forecast to predict that the UK economy will grow faster than any other EU nation in the third quarter of 2016 and into 2017?

The President of the USA. Who's intervention in the debate has widely been attributed to a request by none other than on the dole Osbourne..

You give me three, I'll give you three who voted and publicly encouraged others to vote Brexit

Sir James Dyson - One of the UK's most outstanding and successful business entrepreneurs.
Sir Digby Jones - Former Director General of the CBI and Minister of State for Trade and Investment
Sir Mervyn King - Former head of the Bank of England and Chairman of the Governments Monetary Policy Committee.

Shall we go on batting this no win argument backwards and forwards or shall we move on accept things as is?
 
Massimo Giovanni said:
The PM is such a good judge that he stated he would win referendum 60% to 40% so he isn't exactly "spot on" is he?
The Guv of B of England, Guv employee follows Guv line........shock horror he agrees! (Ex head of the BoE and now unshackled from political influence Mervyn King. Voted for brexit)
Head of IMF, again shock horror that they understand that upheaval could cost bith in the UK,EU and elsewhere so they don't favour it.(who have now revised their growth forecast for the UK in 2016/2017 to the second highest of G20 industrialized nations behind teh US)
Barack O..........are yes Pres of USA wants what is best for USA which is/was the UK at the table and showing a lead within the EU. (who was specifically asked by G Osbourn's office to intervene when it became clear it wasn't going according to plan)
What other, any, INDEPENDENT opinions without self interest have you?
Nigel Lawson? Oh, he was a Brexit. Paxman, oh another B:whistling:rexit.
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Just thought I'd point those out just in case anyone else wanted to quote these independent and trustworthy people :winking:
 
londonblue said:
So instead of discussing the issues raised you revert to the same thing that the leave campaign have always done: attack the person.
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There is no attack on YB in my post is there? or are you throwing stone in a greenhouse, pot/kettle etc?
I was putting an opinion on the motives behind the pro Remain from those named persons.
If you read my post you might have picked out the agreement with the IMF's unsurprising assessment that reorganizing trade etc will cost economies. Now if they were to go for short, medium and long term predictions for the UK and the rest of the EU that might be interesting as the medium to long view on the UK could well be more positive than that of the EU.

I do hope that this post isn't taken as an attack, and if it is you can tell your mummy about me being a bad person.
 
Massimo Giovanni said:
There is no attack on YB in my post is there? or are you throwing stone in a greenhouse, pot/kettle etc?
I was putting an opinion on the motives behind the pro Remain from those named persons.
If you read my post you might have picked out the agreement with the IMF's unsurprising assessment that reorganizing trade etc will cost economies. Now if they were to go for short, medium and long term predictions for the UK and the rest of the EU that might be interesting as the medium to long view on the UK could well be more positive than that of the EU.

I do hope that this post isn't taken as an attack, and if it is you can tell your mummy about me being a bad person.
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I didn't say you were attacking the poster.
 
Massimo Giovanni said:
The PM is such a good judge that he stated he would win referendum 60% to 40% so he isn't exactly "spot on" is he?
The Guv of B of England, Guv employee follows Guv line........shock horror he agrees!
Head of IMF, again shock horror that they understand that upheaval could cost bith in the UK,EU and elsewhere so they don't favour it.
Barack O..........are yes Pres of USA wants what is best for USA which is/was the UK at the table and showing a lead within the EU.
What other, any, INDEPENDENT opinions without self interest have you?
Nigel Lawson? Oh, he was a Brexit. Paxman, oh another B:whistling:rexit.
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There were thousands of experts who came out for Remain. Experts were overwhelmingly for Remain. It was the Leave camp who said that Britain has had enough of experts.

Bielzibubz said:
The IMF. Is that the same IMF who have now revised their forecast to predict that the UK economy will grow faster than any other EU nation in the third quarter of 2016 and into 2017?
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The IMF were already predicting that the UK economy would grow faster than any other EU nation in the third quarter and into 2017. What yesterday's revision did was to cut the amount the UK economy would grow faster by. Instead of growing by 2.2% in 2017 the forecast has been slashed by 0.9% down to 1.3%. Global growth has also been cut by 0.1% because of Brexit.

That you're celebrating these IMF figures as a success seems strange.
 
londonblue said:
I didn't say you were attacking the poster.
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Then please enlighten me with who the attack was on?
Or was your point that I was debating YB's post? isn't that what a forum is about?
I am not attacking the "celebrity" endorsers of YB's post, just questioning their stand points.
So please what is the attack (strong word!) on?

Other than an alternative P O V some may not like being aired.
 
Yorkshire Blue said:
There were thousands of experts who came out for Remain. Experts were overwhelmingly for Remain. It was the Leave camp who said that Britain has had enough of experts.
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Certainly there were loads of doom and gloom experts on the Biased BBC, less so on other channels who tried harder to give a balance.
As for newspapers, well they too often just turn out the stuff their editors or owners want them to.
And, as has been stated before many people did vote with their gut instinct against a very negative fear and almost bully campaign.
The vote was lost, IMO, when Junker, Merkal and Holland gave Cammie almost nothing AND derided any real reform; not economics or immigration, which were often back up high profile excuses and explanations for the Leave votes..
 
Yorkshire Blue said:
There were thousands of experts who came out for Remain. Experts were overwhelmingly for Remain. It was the Leave camp who said that Britain has had enough of experts.



The IMF were already predicting that the UK economy would grow faster than any other EU nation in the third quarter and into 2017. What yesterday's revision did was to cut the amount the UK economy would grow faster by. Instead of growing by 2.2% in 2017 the forecast has been slashed by 0.9% down to 1.3%. Global growth has also been cut by 0.1% because of Brexit.

That you're celebrating these IMF figures as a success seems strange.
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And once again you miss the point completely in order to reaffirm your argument. I will indeed celebrate a 0.9% UK growth as that's more than any other EU country and a damn sight more than the massive economic downturn, recession and economic shrinkage that was predicted immediately post Brexit. Not as big as 2.2% but a small price to pay if we are to be free from the whole EU debacle.
 
Massimo Giovanni said:
Then please enlighten me with who the attack was on?
Or was your point that I was debating YB's post? isn't that what a forum is about?
I am not attacking the "celebrity" endorsers of YB's post, just questioning their stand points.
So please what is the attack (strong word!) on?

Other than an alternative P O V some may not like being aired.
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You attacked the people whose views were mentioned. You didn't debate what they said, you just dismissed them because of who they are.
 
londonblue said:
You attacked the people whose views were mentioned. You didn't debate what they said, you just dismissed them because of who they are.
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What is the problem? ATTACK?????
how was pointing out that DC had set position and poor recent judgement record not debate.
B.O. I pointed out that he was looking after the interests of the USA, as is his job, similarly to the paid state employee at the B of England.
I don;t think I attacked any of the experts, unnamed or otherwise. I did point out they weren't wholly independant where as Lawson and Paxman are.
Why don't you swallow the moment, back track and say your use of "attack" was OTT and poor use of language?
And then debate how my attack points on the impartiality (or not) of the persons was correct or not; that might help with understanding what the points you are trying to make are.
This is a bit personal so I won't make more comment on this "attack" rhetoric.
 
Massimo Giovanni said:
What is the problem? ATTACK?????
how was pointing out that DC had set position and poor recent judgement record not debate.
B.O. I pointed out that he was looking after the interests of the USA, as is his job, similarly to the paid state employee at the B of England.
I don;t think I attacked any of the experts, unnamed or otherwise. I did point out they weren't wholly independant where as Lawson and Paxman are.
Why don't you swallow the moment, back track and say your use of "attack" was OTT and poor use of language?
And then debate how my attack points on the impartiality (or not) of the persons was correct or not; that might help with understanding what the points you are trying to make are.
This is a bit personal so I won't make more comment on this "attack" rhetoric.
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So, what was it that these people said, and which parts don't you agree with? Don't just tell me that you don't believe them because they're biased.

Unfortunately that simplistic argument won the day, and we are where we are.
 
callan said:
Have you not considered the flip side of this, which is we will not invoke article 50 until we the UK are ready to do so?
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How do we know when we are ready to do so? Realistically we'll only know that if we can start negotiations now, which we can't. It's a bit of a catch 22.
 
londonblue said:
How do we know when we are ready to do so? Realistically we'll only know that if we can start negotiations now, which we can't. It's a bit of a catch 22.
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When we consider our position is strong enough to get a good deal with the EU.

Personally I shouldn't be in any hurry, despite the demand from the continent that we invoke more or less immediately.
 
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