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The American Gun Law

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A Century United said:
Indeed, and it may well be a sensible move at the moment, but that suggestion needs to come from sane security consultants. The NRA touting that "The answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" makes me nauseous.
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I just laughed at the gun nut who said the tragedy wouldn't have happened at all if all the teachers had been armed .That's the only sensible reaction in an insane world. "We need to talk about Kevin," indeed.
 
Isn't god all about free will? (again, not trying to start something, it's a genuine question) Therefore, it's nothing's fault - not video games (some brilliant vids on youtube on that one) or books or tv shows or anything. It's just a man who was clearly not in the "normal" frame of mind, who decided (presumably of his own free will, in so far as he presumably wasn't coerced or forced into this against his will) to get a gun or two and commit this heinous act.

As far as religion goes, I'm going to say "let the ******* rot in hell" and leave it there.
 
BarnaBlue said:
I just laughed at the gun nut who said the tragedy wouldn't have happened at all if all the teachers had been armed .That's the only sensible reaction in an insane world. "We need to talk about Kevin," indeed.
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Columbine also had an armed guard. He was shot at first, then called for backup. That took 5 minutes. That's all time they needed to cause havok.

I listened on 5Live to the NRA's press conference. I was expecting an intelligent, articulate argument for guns. I based this on the fact that the NRA are so powerful in the US. I therefore assumed their leader must be pretty good. I couldn't have been more wrong. He just came over as an idiot who couldn't see what was staring him in the face. In that respect I was actually a bit disappointed because I thought I was going to hear something I hadn't considered, and was going to make me think.

Then I felt scared. Scared for the US that such an idiot holds so much power, and he thinks escalating the issue (by giving more people more guns) is the way to reduce gun related deaths.
 
BarnaBlue said:
Remember Charlton Heston used to be President of the NRA.What does that tell you?
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"From my cold dead hands" And that quote from Charlton Heston sums up the whole ethos of the NRA in a nutshell. Every society has it's lunatic fringe groups but the really scary thing is that the NRA are by no means a 'fringe' group. The power the gun lobby holds over the politicians at local and state level is truly astonishing. I've spent a bit of time in the rural deep South (Alabama & Mississippi) and I can honestly say no amount of school shootings and indiscriminate slayings will ever make those I met and stayed with change their view on their 2nd Amendment right to bare arms. Scary scary people, although their hospitality was and I dare say still is second to none :D
 
There's a post on FB doing the rounds at the moment....it goes like this:

In 1996, there was a shooting at a primary school in Scotland. 16 children aged 5/6 were killed along with one teacher. The following year, the UK banned the private ownership of all cartridge ammunition handguns, regardless of calibre. There have been no school shootings since.

The US would do well to swallow its pride and take a leaf out of the UK's books.
 
londonblue said:
Columbine also had an armed guard. He was shot at first, then called for backup. That took 5 minutes. That's all time they needed to cause havok.

I listened on 5Live to the NRA's press conference. I was expecting an intelligent, articulate argument for guns. I based this on the fact that the NRA are so powerful in the US. I therefore assumed their leader must be pretty good. I couldn't have been more wrong. He just came over as an idiot who couldn't see what was staring him in the face. In that respect I was actually a bit disappointed because I thought I was going to hear something I hadn't considered, and was going to make me think.

Then I felt scared. Scared for the US that such an idiot holds so much power, and he thinks escalating the issue (by giving more people more guns) is the way to reduce gun related deaths.
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I heard a representative of the NRA say much the same thing on another programme. He also stated that the biggest multi murder in the US was caused by setting light to a gas can and we wouldn't try to ban them. I am not sure if that is true or not, but he seemed oddly pleased about it.
 
OldBlueLady said:
There's a post on FB doing the rounds at the moment....it goes like this:

In 1996, there was a shooting at a primary school in Scotland. 16 children aged 5/6 were killed along with one teacher. The following year, the UK banned the private ownership of all cartridge ammunition handguns, regardless of calibre. There have been no school shootings since.

The US would do well to swallow its pride and take a leaf out of the UK's books.
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Hmmn, how many school shootings did we have before that one ? None ?

We also has the Cumbria shootings in 2010 after the ban which that statement seems to forget.

Not dismissing the banning of guns wasnt a good thing as it was, but that statement doesnt really say a lot as mass shootings over here are extremely rare anyway, I only remember Hungerford, Dunblane and the Cumbrian shootings.
 
Jam_Man said:
Hmmn, how many school shootings did we have before that one ? None ?

We also has the Cumbria shootings in 2010 after the ban which that statement seems to forget.

Not dismissing the banning of guns wasnt a good thing as it was, but that statement doesnt really say a lot as mass shootings over here are extremely rare anyway, I only remember Hungerford, Dunblane and the Cumbrian shootings.
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Hungerford was before Dunblane, and the guy guilty of the Cumbrian shootings was a legal gun holder if I remember correctly, and his victims were spread over a wide area - a completely different scenario to the type of confined area (school buildings) shootings the comment referred to.
 
OldBlueLady said:
Hungerford was before Dunblane, and the guy guilty of the Cumbrian shootings was a legal gun holder if I remember correctly, and his victims were spread over a wide area - a completely different scenario to the type of confined area (school buildings) shootings the comment referred to.
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Indeed, so saying that there have been no school shootings since is an empty statement, as we didnt have any other school shootings before the change in law.

The reason we have less of these incidents isnt because the law was changed after Dunblane, but simply because we havent as a nation had it built into our psyche that guns should be a part of life.
 
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