Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0 Dagenham and Referee 1

[bazzashrimper]

I don't think I ever saw Grant dive - he used to make players foul him. The worst offender I can remember us having was Nicky Bailey

 

[OldBlueLady]

I don't think I ever saw Grant dive - he used to make players foul him. The worst offender I can remember us having was Nicky Bailey

Are you serious? Grant dived tons!

 

[1966 and all that]

Seen the highlights. A fair tackle in a 50:50 situation. Not a sending off at all. It wouldn't have been a yellow if the player hadn't made such a meal of it. Hope it's appealed.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Both of Billy Kee's tackles against our players last week were worse than Phillips' and they were only punished with a yellow each!!

I'll be surprised if this made it out of the car park without slashed tyres.

 

[united we stand]

Seen the highlights. A fair tackle in a 50:50 situation. Not a sending off at all. It wouldn't have been a yellow if the player hadn't made such a meal of it. Hope it's appealed.

We all see the game differently, and the camera for the highlights is a long way away. What to me is very interesting is that that Phillips thought it deserved a yellow, as did Atkinson, so it wasn't a 'fair tackle'

 

[Pubey]

We all see the game differently, and the camera for the highlights is a long way away. What to me is very interesting is that that Phillips thought it deserved a yellow, as did Atkinson, so it wasn't a 'fair tackle'

Absolutely.

It wasn't a fair tackle, no one really believes that. Also because his foot was high over the ball and caught the opponent half-way up the leg, my guess is that the ref saw it as "excessive force" which is a red, rather than "reckless" which is a yellow, or careless which is just a free kick.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

We're appealing


Southend United ‏@SUFCRootsHall33s
We can confirm we will be appealing against the red card shown to Mark Phillips on Tuesday night.

 

[flapjack]

We're appealing


Southend United ‏@SUFCRootsHall33s
We can confirm we will be appealing against the red card shown to Mark Phillips on Tuesday night.

well this will put this issue to bed one way or another, if it gets thrown out then great for us but it still dosen't change the result but it will clear the players name and make him available for Saturday

 

[Mick]

Absolutely.

It wasn't a fair tackle, no one really believes that. Also because his foot was high over the ball and caught the opponent half-way up the leg, my guess is that the ref saw it as "excessive force" which is a red, rather than "reckless" which is a yellow, or careless which is just a free kick.

No, the ref saw it as yellow !! It was the Dagenham players and the hapless lino that saw it as red.

Mind you, I thought it looked a lot worse at the time (from South Upper) than it does on the video. Interestingly the view from the camera (West) was the same as the view of the lino which was nothing like as bad. Strange.

 

[Romford Shrimper]

Surprised we've appealed to be honest, although it wasn't a sending off it's very rare these decisions get over turned, now Phillips could be on the sidelines for an extra game.

 

[Pubey]

No, the ref saw it as yellow !! It was the Dagenham players and the hapless lino that saw it as red.

Mind you, I thought it looked a lot worse at the time (from South Upper) than it does on the video. Interestingly the view from the camera (West) was the same as the view of the lino which was nothing like as bad. Strange.

That's bollocks. The ref initially saw it as a yellow, the lino saw it as a red, and the ref changed his mind and gave a red. The ref needs to take ultimate responsibility for the decision he makes - he can ignore the lino if he wants and the lino doesn't have cards in his pocket.

Whether it's a yellow or red, from the video it looks pretty bad to me. Maybe I just wince too much when I see studs going into someone's leg about a foot off the ground.

Also, I can't see it being overturned in a million years.

 

[chapperzUK]

Surprised we've appealed to be honest, although it wasn't a sending off it's very rare these decisions get over turned, now Phillips could be on the sidelines for an extra game.

A failed appeal doesn't automatically mean an extra match. I believe there are criteria to be met for it to be an extra match, and someone on here might know that.

Not surprised we've appealed as we are lacking defenders at the moment with White missing the next game too. Corr got his overturned earlier in the season and don't think we've ever had 2 overturned in a single season.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

As much as I don't think it was a red, I can't see us getting 2 reds overturned in a matter of months sadly.

 

[Mick]

A failed appeal doesn't automatically mean an extra match. I believe there are criteria to be met for it to be an extra match, and someone on here might know that.

Not surprised we've appealed as we are lacking defenders at the moment with White missing the next game too. Corr got his overturned earlier in the season and don't think we've ever had 2 overturned in a single season.

Successful appeals seem to be on the up lately.

I think an extra match would be extremely unlikely.

 

[Romford Shrimper]

A failed appeal doesn't automatically mean an extra match. I believe there are criteria to be met for it to be an extra match, and someone on here might know that.

Not surprised we've appealed as we are lacking defenders at the moment with White missing the next game too. Corr got his overturned earlier in the season and don't think we've ever had 2 overturned in a single season.

I thought that a failed appeal results in an extra game banned, that's the gamble you take. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Mick]

That's bollocks. The ref initially saw it as a yellow, the lino saw it as a red, and the ref changed his mind and gave a red. The ref needs to take ultimate responsibility for the decision he makes - he can ignore the lino if he wants and the lino doesn't have cards in his pocket.

Whether it's a yellow or red, from the video it looks pretty bad to me. Maybe I just wince too much when I see studs going into someone's leg about a foot off the ground.

Also, I can't see it being overturned in a million years.

You say "that's bollocks" and then largely agree with me on the course of events. Of course the referee has ultimate responsibility for the decision. I'm just pointing out that he initially thought yellow, which, with the benefit of the replay, I would agree with. Maybe some lessons for Linington here?: back your own judgement, don't be influenced by whingeing footballers and never trust a lino from Gillingham !

 

[Pubey]

I thought that a failed appeal results in an extra game banned, that's the gamble you take. I hope I'm wrong though.

Nope, only if the appeal is seen as 'frivolous' - such as Freddy's red card where he repeatedly pushed a Huddersfield(?) player in the chest.

 

[Mick]

I thought that a failed appeal results in an extra game banned, that's the gamble you take. I hope I'm wrong though.

Only if the appeal is deemed frivolous with no reasonable chance of success. Haven't had many (any?) of them for a while.

 

[Pubey]

You say "that's bollocks" and then largely agree with me on the course of events. Of course the referee has ultimate responsibility for the decision. I'm just pointing out that he initially thought yellow, which, with the benefit of the replay, I would agree with. Maybe some lessons for Linington here?: back your own judgement, don't be influenced by whingeing footballers and never trust a lino from Gillingham !

haha fair enough, and sorry for the language.

Yeah I get the point that you're making. You'd hope that if two people disagreed then you'd look to give players the benefit of the doubt. My point was that the ref has to feel it's a red when he gives a red, irrespective of how he's come to that conclusion.

When a ref is in that situation (and ignoring the lino), do you just go with your gut in that split second? Or do you pause to think about the making sure it's consistent with other decisions you've made, the time left in the game, the conditions, the player who was fouled? I'm really interested to know. Sometimes refs seem to instantly make up their mind, but sometimes you can see the cogs whurring in their head to work it all out and weigh things up. It seems inappropriate to factor in external things into the decision, because the foul is the only thing that theoretically matters, however inconsistency and 'game ruining' decisions drive everyone mad.

 

[Eddy Melito]

the ref doesnt have to go with what the lino says, of course, but hes probably said hes seen something differently from the angle he had. all too often a ref makes a poor split second decision on his own, so although it went against blues this time, he should be kind of commended for taking his time and seeking his fellow officials views on the challenge. i cant see it being overturned, and i think there is a possibility of it being thought of as a frivolous appeal as he did go over the ball.