Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0 Dagenham and Referee 1

[WESTY_SUFC]

Zavon Hines diving - 10 Even went down when no players were near him and got a free kick.

 

[Shrimpergonzo]

Coker was fouled outside the box carried on running and got fouled again inside the box and the ref pulled it back for the 1st foul !!



I disagree. Guidance suggests that if a foul continues into the box, a penalty should be awarded. If it's a separate foul advantage can be played up to the second foul at which point again, a penalty can be awarded.

It appeared he was attempting to play advantage but didn't think the second challenge was a foul (something I was too far away to dispute).

Thanks for that Mick, I assumed on the night that it was a decent decision (one of the few!) from the ref and he was correct in pulling it back for the original foul. However your post has corrected my knowledge of the laws of the game. Clearly he didn't feel the one in the box was a foul and so pulled it back once Coker fell for the original foul.

 

[Its Only A Game]

I don't really see why people are so outraged that the Ref spoke to his assistant before making his decision. Yes he had got the yellow out of his pocket but hadn't "shown" it. I see no problem with him asking the lino if he had a better view and coming to what they think is the best decision.

For what its worth, from the South Upper, i thought he had a least a 50% chance of getting a red as soon as I saw it.

 

[the_forgotten_man]

I disagree. Guidance suggests that if a foul continues into the box, a penalty should be awarded. If it's a separate foul advantage can be played up to the second foul at which point again, a penalty can be awarded.

Absolutely. The idea that a ref should 'bring it back for the first foul' is a complete nonsense. If you play advantage then, if nothing arises or the situation turns out not to be beneficial for the fouled team, you bring it back, to ensure that they aren't disadvantaged.

Why some people think that you should penalise the fouled team in instances like last night is beyond me. If Coker was fouled inside the box (and I think the ref thought he was, but as part of the same action that fouled him outside), regardless of whether it is in a period of 'advantage', a penalty should have been awarded.

 

[southchurch]

You cant expect great performances when the opposition have more players.

We started off brightly but even before the sending off Daggers were causing us problems though. After the sending off its just backs against the walls and try to nick something. Did well to keep it at 1-0 to be honest and unlucky not to grab a point.

I have seen many games over the years when a team goes down to 10 and that makes them raise their game and even with 10 look the better side. many teams have done us with 10 men.

We only looked to put in a bit of effort in the last 10 minutes.
Our initial move was to drop deep and isolate corr. It looked like we had been reduced to 8 men.
Tactics were rubbish after the sending off.
And to be fair we were not that good before the sending off.

 

[Mick]

I have seen many games over the years when a team goes down to 10 and that makes them raise their game and even with 10 look the better side. many teams have done us with 10 men.

We only looked to put in a bit of effort in the last 10 minutes.
Our initial move was to drop deep and isolate corr. It looked like we had been reduced to 8 men.
Tactics were rubbish after the sending off.
And to be fair we were not that good before the sending off.

There are two ways to play it when you go down to 10 men. You can sulk, drop deep and go for damage limitation and hope to sneak something later.

Or you can roll your sleeves up, take the game to the opponents. Run at defenders, get round the ref every time one of your players is fouled, give him every opportunity to even things up. I'd have brought Payne on much earlier (half-time) with instructions to do just that.

 

[Angell Delight]

Donot often disagree with your posts OBL, but honestly do you want to watch Southend players conning the ref for a free kick,Hines was a prime example last night of what is wrong in the game, I certainly would be gutted if we play this way to win.
The ball was over the line and the sending off was a crude tackle from my view of the stands, re White I maybe wrong but the guy next to me thinks it was back chat to the ref,if so silly silly boy,I know its hard but sometimes you have to accept you will get a poor ref on the pitch and rein in frustations for HT changing room valve outlet

UTS

To be fair nobody seemed to mind when Granty did it week in week out.... :whistling:

If you can't beat 'em join 'em?

 

[Shrimper]

When will the highlights be on youtube?

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

When will the highlights be on youtube?

Usually midday but I'm not sure if that's just after a Saturday game...

 

[united we stand]

There are two ways to play it when you go down to 10 men. You can sulk, drop deep and go for damage limitation and hope to sneak something later.

Or you can roll your sleeves up, take the game to the opponents. Run at defenders, get round the ref every time one of your players is fouled, give him every opportunity to even things up. I'd have brought Payne on much earlier (half-time) with instructions to do just that.

Agree with you on payne. When he was on he was doing too mych defensive duty for my liking as well. U want him in positions where he can hurt the opposition, not on the edge of our area

 

[Blues 'n twos]

Having slept on last nights performance, and on reflection, taking everything on board and being totally impartial, I have come to the conclusion the officials were all part of a South East Asian betting ring masterminded by Ron to try and earn SUFC some much needed wonga to clear the Embargo.

 

[united we stand]

Forgot to add
Maybe my hearing needs testing, but I have sworn that I heard the East Stand singing last night, (South stand end) especially at the end of the match. Top marks to them as we were somewhat subdued last night IMO

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Hall and Grant were 2 of the worst divers Ive seen and they were ours!

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

very interesting listening to Brown on the radio. everything in the interview was about the fact that the ref 'apparently' was going to give a yellow before he consulted the linesman . No actual defence from Phillips or anyone else that it wasn't a foul that deserved at least a yellow , Phillips told Brown his standing foot slipped.

ps I am in W block so a long way away, but from there it looked like Bentley was at fault for their goal - Smith would have been crucified. From those of you closer is that fair ??

pps yes the ref was crap- but White could have been sent off as well so it could have been worse

Smith would certainly have been crucified for being rooted to the line for their shot which hit the post. That was Darrylesque keeping.

Kiernan seemed to be at fault twice for the goal: getting caught out of position in the first place and then (inadvertently) playing the ball into one of the Dagenham divers.

 

[tottenham541]

Referee and linesman along the West stand -10. A pair of twunts

christ the linesman on the east stand side was worse, always behind play which lead to him giving hardly any offsides, needed to lose a few pounds also, chubby ****:winking:

 

[chapperzUK]

Hall and Grant were 2 of the worst divers Ive seen and they were ours!

I've seen far worse. Grant was clever, he would put his body between the defender and the ball and just wait for the over-eager defender to go through him. Nothing cheating, just clever on his part and stupid on the defenders part.

 

[sufclee]

Having seen the highlights i stand by my opinion from last night that it is never more than a yellow, infact it doesn't even look as bad on the highlights as i thought last night!

 

[southchurch]

why do lino's stand in line with the ball when keeper takes a kick. Then as it's taken run like the clappers to the half way line. When the ball is played quickly back they are never in line cos there running the wrong way. Time they have run back the right way they are always miles behind play. He gave some wrong and some right on the east side but most times he was guessing. I was in Yellow seats and right in line with most decisions. I think if he had just stood still in this area he would have got more right.

 

[amsemp]

Tweeted Mr Hines this morning but didn't get a reply unfortunately... :sad:

 

[united we stand]

Forgot to add
Maybe my hearing needs testing, but I have sworn that I heard the East Stand singing last night, (South stand end) especially at the end of the match. Top marks to them as we were somewhat subdued last night IMO