Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0 Dagenham and Referee 1

[Eastblack]

Ref was lousy
sending off was very harsh in my view
woodrow is gaining confidence and has a great understanding of the game, his long range strike was fierce
hurst coming off was a shame
straker coming on was a bold decision
payne and Eastwood have a good understanding of one another

i would start woodrow and eastwood (fitness permitting) up front

that is all.

 

[Shrimper]

The referee tonight was an absolute *********. Gave everything Dagenham's way and was unable to stick to his decisions. He had no conviction either. From where I was sitting it was not a red card either, barely a yellow I'd say but will have to look at the replay.

Dagenham players kept conning the ref with dives and theatrical performances. Sad things was he bought every single one of them. Hope we smash them in the away game.

 

[Sleaford Shrimper]

Officials were dreadful, clearly thought we'd all paid and turned up to watch them!

Sadly, this is the case all too often these days. Why can these idiots not comprehend that the mark of a good referee is that he keeps the game under control without drawing attention to himself?

 

[1966 and all that]

Even some of the enlightened Daggers fans thought they did well to hold out for 3 points and that the sending off was harsh (though payback for their player's dismissal last season). One of their fans thought it was a stonewall penalty!

 

[united we stand]

Personally I think there are a lot of sour grapes on this thread regarding the ref
Everyone is saying it was a goal
Many are saying it was a red card
It was never a penalty the ref got it right

There was a strong argument for sending off White

 

[flapjack]

Didn't help our cause with White Pi$$ing the Ref off so early on, he fouled the Daggers player,get on with the game and don't mouth off like that.If Philips had made full contact with the player he would have off for the rest of the game....but he made an amazing recovery to complete the match once Philips was sent off.I don't understand why he didn't book the Daggers player for diving in the box and also for taking our defender out in the second half.......forgot to mention the Ref did come from Dagenham.
Up to the sending off it was quite an even game IMO and both sides missed chances,it's sad to see so many players throwing themselves on the floor too easily nowadys to get a free kick or penalty.

 

[prawntobewild]

Most people have covered the main points of the game already but i'll add my opinion if anyone is interested.
Re the Red - Having thought about it my conclusion is - If it was one of their players on one of ours would you have been screaming red? - if the answer is yes then sending Phillips off was correct. Personally I thought the tackle was reckless & the red was right - the only brave thing the ref did all night.
Can't really fault the 10 who did their best - If that effort in the first few minutes that their keeper stopped from a couple of yards out would've gone in then things may have been different.
Bit disappointed with Atkinsons effort at the end - he had more time & should have at least hit the target.
MOM for me was Kiernan - hit some fantastic passes to Hursty in the first half.
Overall - like many others - sad to lose but pleased with the performance & with a bit more luck & a better ref we would have got something.
Ref seemed to have the mantra " If it done by a blue a free kick is due , if it's done by a red then play on instead."

 

[OldBlueLady]

Ref and west lino were both awful. Totally spoiled the game, John White's early yellow card was unwarranted and had him then treading a tightrope the rest of the game (and yes, I thought he was lucky to stay on). Phillips' red to me, didn't look as if it was a yellow, let alone a red. The goal, I don't know, couldn't see from where I was. I do feel Bentley could have done better, what really ****es me off is that the incompetent buffoon on the west line was the key decision maker in both events.

Fair play to the rest of our team who gave their all, and really dug in. Showed tremendous team spirit. Woodrow did have a good game - what a strike that was! - but Kiernan clear MOTM for me.

Bentley - 7
White - 7
Phillips - 7
Kiernan - 9
Coker - 8
Hurst - 7
Leonard - 8
Atkinson - 8
Clifford - 7
Woodrow - 8
Corr - 7

Subs - Fred - 8, Straker - 7, Payne - 8

Btw, someone needs to teach Payne and Woodrow how to "play" officials like that. Several occurences where they could have gone down and won something....well, if we'd had a decent ref.

 

[flapjack]

Ref and west lino were both awful. Totally spoiled the game, John White's early yellow card was unwarranted and had him then treading a tightrope the rest of the game (and yes, I thought he was lucky to stay on). Phillips' red to me, didn't look as if it was a yellow, let alone a red. The goal, I don't know, couldn't see from where I was. I do feel Bentley could have done better, what really ****es me off is that the incompetent buffoon on the west line was the key decision maker in both events.

Fair play to the rest of our team who gave their all, and really dug in. Showed tremendous team spirit. Woodrow did have a good game - what a strike that was! - but Kiernan clear MOTM for me.

Bentley - 7
White - 7
Phillips - 7
Kiernan - 9
Coker - 8
Hurst - 7
Leonard - 8
Atkinson - 8
Clifford - 7
Woodrow - 8
Corr - 7

Subs - Fred - 8, Straker - 7, Payne - 8

Btw, someone needs to teach Payne and Woodrow how to "play" officials like that. Several occurences where they could have gone down and won something....well, if we'd had a decent ref.

Maybe if he kept his mouth shut and got on with the game he wouldn't have bgot cautioned, the Ref was never going to change his mind over his decision......keep your mouth shut and get on with the game

 

[Lord Football]

Great performance 2nd half, we looked we had the extra man and not Daggers.

Officials may have got the card right, I was too far away to see but thought he got the ball and they made a meal of it to be honest, but we got nothing from the officials all match, Coker was fouled outside the box carried on running and got fouled again inside the box and the ref pulled it back for the 1st foul !! F**king incredible decision, if he allowed us to play on then he should have awarded a pen, bottled it along with a host of other decisions.
If we play like that for the rest of the season we will win more than we lose.... refs permitting!!

Which is exactly what you do.

 

[southchurch]

The sending off is agreat excuse for a poor performance.
Player ratings above are far too high. We played corr up front on his own after the sending off and that was a waste of time.
Eastwood looked the best player on the pitch when he finally got on.
A poor game watched by a low crowd of only 4500 odd 400 daggers. They had pace and skill going forward and looked a far better team than us. We passed it along the back but still lumped it forward over and over again. Same old . same old for me. I can see what Brown is trying to do , but sadly just does not have the players capable of doing it.

 

[Jam_Man]

The sending off is agreat excuse for a poor performance.
Player ratings above are far too high. We played corr up front on his own after the sending off and that was a waste of time.
Eastwood looked the best player on the pitch when he finally got on.
A poor game watched by a low crowd of only 4500 odd 400 daggers. They had pace and skill going forward and looked a far better team than us. We passed it along the back but still lumped it forward over and over again. Same old . same old for me. I can see what Brown is trying to do , but sadly just does not have the players capable of doing it.

You cant expect great performances when the opposition have more players.

We started off brightly but even before the sending off Daggers were causing us problems though. After the sending off its just backs against the walls and try to nick something. Did well to keep it at 1-0 to be honest and unlucky not to grab a point.

 

[Blueronron]

Ref and west lino were both awful. Totally spoiled the game, John White's early yellow card was unwarranted and had him then treading a tightrope the rest of the game (and yes, I thought he was lucky to stay on). Phillips' red to me, didn't look as if it was a yellow, let alone a red. The goal, I don't know, couldn't see from where I was. I do feel Bentley could have done better, what really ****es me off is that the incompetent buffoon on the west line was the key decision maker in both events.

Fair play to the rest of our team who gave their all, and really dug in. Showed tremendous team spirit. Woodrow did have a good game - what a strike that was! - but Kiernan clear MOTM for me.

Bentley - 7
White - 7
Phillips - 7
Kiernan - 9
Coker - 8
Hurst - 7
Leonard - 8
Atkinson - 8
Clifford - 7
Woodrow - 8
Corr - 7

Subs - Fred - 8, Straker - 7, Payne - 8

Btw, someone needs to teach Payne and Woodrow how to "play" officials like that. Several occurences where they could have gone down and won something....well, if we'd had a decent ref.

Donot often disagree with your posts OBL, but honestly do you want to watch Southend players conning the ref for a free kick,Hines was a prime example last night of what is wrong in the game, I certainly would be gutted if we play this way to win.
The ball was over the line and the sending off was a crude tackle from my view of the stands, re White I maybe wrong but the guy next to me thinks it was back chat to the ref,if so silly silly boy,I know its hard but sometimes you have to accept you will get a poor ref on the pitch and rein in frustations for HT changing room valve outlet

UTS

 

[Streaky]

Not a lot of ratings so far so he's mine

Bentley - 7
White - 6.5 (could easily got sent off)
Phillips - 5 Looks like a poor challange and ultimatly cost us points, should have worked out the ref was an "awayer"
Kiernan - 8 Pick of the back 4, some great long balls, would love to keep him to the end of the season.
Coker - 7 solid, best LB we have had since Che!
Hurst - 7
Leonard - 7
Atkinson - 7
Clifford - 7
Woodrow - 7 Wasnt in the game first half, but much improved after the break
Corr - 7

Subs -
Eastwood - 7,
Straker - 6
Payne - 7

Officials - 3, Looks like he got the red card right, I was too far away to see if the ball crossed the line for the goal, but as the South stand didnt go bananas i guess it did.

 

[united we stand]

Ref and west lino were both awful. Totally spoiled the game, John White's early yellow card was unwarranted and had him then treading a tightrope the rest of the game (and yes, I thought he was lucky to stay on). Phillips' red to me, didn't look as if it was a yellow, let alone a red. The goal, I don't know, couldn't see from where I was. I do feel Bentley could have done better, what really ****es me off is that the incompetent buffoon on the west line was the key decision maker in both events.

Fair play to the rest of our team who gave their all, and really dug in. Showed tremendous team spirit. Woodrow did have a good game - what a strike that was! - but Kiernan clear MOTM for me.

Bentley - 7
White - 7
Phillips - 7
Kiernan - 9
Coker - 8
Hurst - 7
Leonard - 8
Atkinson - 8
Clifford - 7
Woodrow - 8
Corr - 7

Subs - Fred - 8, Straker - 7, Payne - 8

Btw, someone needs to teach Payne and Woodrow how to "play" officials like that. Several occurences where they could have gone down and won something....well, if we'd had a decent ref.

but Cokers theatrical fall in the box was OK (and I was a lot closer than you with a great view) ? That was awful, he was in on goal and could /should have stayed on his feet. He then goals down for a penalty showing that he doesn't even understand the rules of the game as the ref then correctly gave a free kick to us as the first offence was outside the box

Note that as I said earlier, Philips effectively admitted he fouled the guy, as he had no complaints that he saw the ref go for a yellow card . If he thought it was no foul he would have said so to Brown

too many sour grapes on this thread

 

[Rayleigh Shrimper]

The worst thing about the sending off was the fact the lino who was fairly close to the incident didnt flag straight away and that the ref originally got his yellow card out. Why the ref then went over to the lino after is amazing as he had already decided what he was going to do. The goal itself actually took a slight deflection when dropping over kiernan which put it in murphys path otherwise would probably off gone straight to bentley when he came for it. Second half Dagenham were poor and Murphy and Hines did nothing, we deserved something from the game but unfortunately luck wasnt with us. Bring on Saturday!!

 

[stickyboy]

just to clarify a few people questioning the goal, i was in family west stand and was miles over the line!

 

[ldnfatso]

Ref and Lino were appalling.
Sending of was indeed harsh especially as ref was only going to give a yellow! Either the ref gives a foul and a yellow card for the offence or he gives nothing and is then advised by the lino that it was a red card offence!
Eastwood certainly looked more of a threat than BBBC did. Fitness permitting he should play on Saturday with Woodrow.
Payne looks a handful and a good prospect.
Their goal did cross the line clearly! Poor goal to concede, both defence and keeper should have done better.
Overall, if this was a 11 v 11 game with an impartial referee we should have won.

 

[Mick]

Coker was fouled outside the box carried on running and got fouled again inside the box and the ref pulled it back for the 1st foul !!

Which is exactly what you do.

I disagree. Guidance suggests that if a foul continues into the box, a penalty should be awarded. If it's a separate foul advantage can be played up to the second foul at which point again, a penalty can be awarded.

It appeared he was attempting to play advantage but didn't think the second challenge was a foul (something I was too far away to dispute).

 

[united we stand]

Coker was fouled outside the box carried on running and got fouled again inside the box and the ref pulled it back for the 1st foul !!



I disagree. Guidance suggests that if a foul continues into the box, a penalty should be awarded. If it's a separate foul advantage can be played up to the second foul at which point again, a penalty can be awarded.

It appeared he was attempting to play advantage but didn't think the second challenge was a foul (something I was too far away to dispute).

I was in W block, to me it was a clear foul outside the box, and a clear dive/ fell over himself inside the box.