Breaking News Ryan Hall - Jailed and then Bailed

[londonblue]

An appeal wont be heard for at least a week and in first instance needs to be heard at the sentancing court by another judge, to be fair this would never get in front of a High Court even though his a footballer, 3 - 5 days to be in front of another judge at a Maj court then onto last line of appeal at a crown court!

Can't you apply for bail pending an appeal?

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

Does it matter if he was racially abused? He could have still walked away - kicking someone in the head doesnt make it right or 'even the score'. I'm not saying it would be easy to walk away, but that is what he *should* have done.

He'll get another gig in football anyways, I never said he should be banned from playing again!?

We all know that's what he should have done, but never having been racially abused myself I can't say I'd know how I would react especially after a few drinks. But that's the point of prison, to teach him the lesson that it's not ok to react like that. Why do you propose to not allow him to show he's learnt it.

If you think it's fine for him to play football professionally again, why not with us? Wouldn't it be the sign of a good club / employer to work with a player and improve his behaviour rather than cast him off at the first possible excuse?

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Think there has been a few cases of that hasnt there? Like Liverpool players getting abused by rivals and Man U players getting abused by rivals. Wasnt the recentish Steven Gerrard case against an Everton fan? Not sure... but yea, see your point. Still think there is no excuse and as a professional they should walk away as a duty to their employers.

Yep, agree with this, and that's why he's in jail. As DS has said, were he to do the same again then my support would change over to your viewpoint. First off a chance of rehabilitation, and if he screws that up then out.

Going back to your comment about this whole episode saying a lot about society has got me thinking one thing. What happened to the person he assaulted? As inciting racial hatred is illegal, has he been punished? Too often these days a bully will pick on someone bigger, come a cropper, and then get full protection from the law.

 

[C C Csiders]

Blimey the amount of court cases I have sat through where scummy scroats who have committed offence after offence get off with a community punishment order... I don't condone what Ryan's done of course but it looks like he has been well and truly made an example of.

Didn't know you were Craig Bellamy's stalker?

 

[Smiffy]

Can't you apply for bail pending an appeal?

Yes, you can.

Bail pending appeal

[FONT=Georgia, Times, Serif]In each of these situations, if you are in custody, it is possible to apply for bail to be granted until your appeal is heard, either to the lower court whose decision you are appealing, or to the court where your appeal is to be heard. In practice, this is very rarely granted, but making the application may speed up the hearing of your case.


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[Blue_Wes]

Yes, he has been rightly punished by the courts.

I'm just saying, as a focal point of a wide reaching demographic - and the fact we are striving to be 'community' club etc, is it right we stand by him? Taking my personal feelings aside of how I would react as a boss and forget the fact he has been a good player recently, is it right we keep him and be seen to condone his actions?

If it was Louie Soares or Miguel Cominges would people be so quick to defend him?

There are plenty of examples of players committing off the field misdemeanors and being sacked by their clubs.

Playing devils advocate and using your previous analogy of replacing those involved with family members. If it was your son that had been sentenced for a provoked/retaliatory attack. Upon sentencing, would you distance yourself from him, and kick him out the family home to avoid any risk of being seen to condone his actions? Or would you let him know he still has a home to go to and support him following his release?

 

[londonblue]

The latest I have is that they have already lodged an appeal, and applied for bail pending that appeal. The bail application has been turned down, but they are going to apply again tomorrow to the crown court.

It seems the judge is trying to make an example of him.

 

[palexander]

Yep, agree with this, and that's why he's in jail. As DS has said, were he to do the same again then my support would change over to your viewpoint. First off a chance of rehabilitation, and if he screws that up then out.

Going back to your comment about this whole episode saying a lot about society has got me thinking one thing. What happened to the person he assaulted? As inciting racial hatred is illegal, has he been punished? Too often these days a bully will pick on someone bigger, come a cropper, and then get full protection from the law.

Totally agree - I guess this is harder to prove, being a 'his word against mine' type thing, unless there were independent witnesses. With a kick in the head there would be a lot of physical and forensic evidence you would assume.

But yea, if they can prove he racially insulted Hall then defo he needs to be done and I agree that its not right if he gets off.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I believe the club will be appealing this decision.

Let's hope it's not deemed a trivial appeal, he may end up with 10 years. :'(

 

[easton8]

This will be the general reaction. But people cannot separate Hall the Southend player, from Hall the human being it seems.

What if it was your Dad/Brother/Mother etc he kicked in the head? Would you be so forgiving?

What if he didnt play football, but worked in a butchers or something? Would you be happy with the debt he is paying to society?

Just because it suits SUFC fans to keep him, doesnt make it right.

If he was my employee, on an event organised by my business and was known in the community and he did that, I wouldnt want to be associated with him. I'd wish him luck elsewhere, but I'd want to be seen to distance myself from his actions.

Just my opinion...

Completely agree with what you've said here.

 

[Blue_Wes]

Totally agree - I guess this is harder to prove, being a 'his word against mine' type thing, unless there were independent witnesses. With a kick in the head there would be a lot of physical and forensic evidence you would assume.

But yea, if they can prove he racially insulted Hall then defo he needs to be done and I agree that its not right if he gets off.

Did Hall not receive a broken jaw as well, surely this in itself should be proof enough to prosecute the other guy, even if the racial aspect could not be proved.

 

[Cricko]

Grays Blue Junior should be blamed for all this if you ask me.

:thump:

 

[palexander]

Did Hall not receive a broken jaw as well, surely this in itself should be proof enough to prosecute the other guy, even if the racial aspect could not be proved.

yea thats true - in that case then both should get pretty much equal punishment.

 

[palexander]

Playing devils advocate and using your previous analogy of replacing those involved with family members. If it was your son that had been sentenced for a provoked/retaliatory attack. Upon sentencing, would you distance yourself from him, and kick him out the family home to avoid any risk of being seen to condone his actions? Or would you let him know he still has a home to go to and support him following his release?

Good point! Dont know how I would react too be honest, not having kids. My opinion is coming from the viewpoint of an employer as I own my own business and if an employee did that, I'd sack them personally.

If it was my kid?.... dunno, totally different set of circumstances and feelings, but I'd be absolutely mortified too be honest and I'd say I'd seriously consider distancing myself yea.

 

[GBJ]

I must admit, this has shocked me. I never thought he'd get a custodial. Must definitly be a case of the judge making an example of him. I suppose it also depends on his previous. Can't believe he'd get a custodial for a first offense.

 

[Beefy]

Hall will be out in a few weeks. The players were all there at the time and apparently are standing by him, he's probably been our best player all season and would without a dubt get another Club very quickly upon release. There's no upside whatsoever in releasing him. It would be the ultimate case of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

The guy didn't kill anyone. He got into a drunken fight - possibly provoked - he'll serve his time and then deserves the right to get on with his life.

 

[GBJ]

Grays Blue Junior should be blamed for all this if you ask me.

:thump:

GraysBlueJr OUT!!

 

[TravellingBlue]

Got to say I'm pretty disappointed. Not in the sentence, that's up to the courts, but I'm disappointed in Hall. He has had a troubled past, was shown the door at Tottenham, Arsenal and Palace, was involved in some serious alleged incidents before. He comes to Southend we give him the opportunity to resurrect his career and possibly kick on as a professional footballer and he repays us by getting involved in an incident that leads to him going to jail.

Seriously disappointed in the man. If it was one of my employess, I am afraid I would not want them working for my company ever again.

 

[GBJ]

The guy didn't kill anyone. He got into a drunken fight - possibly provoked - he'll serve his time and then deserves the right to get on with his life.

Agree with this

 

[Cricko]

Got to say I'm pretty disappointed. Not in the sentence, that's up to the courts, but I'm disappointed in Hall. He has had a troubled past, was shown the door at Tottenham, Arsenal and Palace, was involved in some serious alleged incidents before. He comes to Southend we give him the opportunity to resurrect his career and possibly kick on as a professional footballer and he repays us by getting involved in an incident that leads to him going to jail.

Seriously disappointed in the man. If it was one of my employess, I am afraid I would not want them working for my company ever again.

TBH if it was Louis Soares would we actually care that much? I doubt it.