Breaking News Ryan Hall - Jailed and then Bailed

[chapperzUK]

Bring back Zaaboub ......

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

This will be the general reaction. But people cannot separate Hall the Southend player, from Hall the human being it seems.

What if it was your Dad/Brother/Mother etc he kicked in the head? Would you be so forgiving?

What if he didnt play football, but worked in a butchers or something? Would you be happy with the debt he is paying to society?

Just because it suits SUFC fans to keep him, doesnt make it right.

If he was my employee, on an event organised by my business and was known in the community and he did that, I wouldnt want to be associated with him. I'd wish him luck elsewhere, but I'd want to be seen to distance myself from his actions.

Just my opinion...

Do you not believe then that it's the court's responsibility to punish offenders, and not our own? He's done the crime, he'll do the time, and that should be an end to it unless he further offends.

 

[Jaydeaa]

This might sound stupid but.....Can he play with a tag ,or would he be allowed to take it off during a game?

Take off your TAG and its GAME OVER! Back to a closed Jail in the north somewhere, where they hate cockneys, for **** knows how longs...

If they TAG him there is a HUGE chance they will make him live in a bail hostel!

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Silly boy, would he have got 5 months if he was a premiership/england international footballer though?

Of course he wouldn't.

By law Hall should be going down, but so should Steven Gerrard and Andy Carroll.

 

[C C Csiders]

I see there has been discussion above, and whilst I would not sack him, I think the club (RM) will almost certainly sack him.

 

[Smiffy]

I believe the club will be appealing this decision.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

This will be the general reaction. But people cannot separate Hall the Southend player, from Hall the human being it seems.

What if it was your Dad/Brother/Mother etc he kicked in the head? Would you be so forgiving?

What if he didnt play football, but worked in a butchers or something? Would you be happy with the debt he is paying to society?

Just because it suits SUFC fans to keep him, doesnt make it right.

If he was my employee, on an event organised by my business and was known in the community and he did that, I wouldnt want to be associated with him. I'd wish him luck elsewhere, but I'd want to be seen to distance myself from his actions.

Just my opinion...

Well for starters it's unlikely that my mum would be racially abusing anyone outside a nightclub.

If prison is not to punish & correct criminal acts what is the point of it? Maybe we should adopt the pboreham system of create social leppers who may never work again, that'll sort crime out.

 

[ldnfatso]

Louie Soars it's your turn to shine!

 

[palexander]

Do you not believe then that it's the court's responsibility to punish offenders, and not our own? He's done the crime, he'll do the time, and that should be an end to it unless he further offends.

Yes, he has been rightly punished by the courts.

I'm just saying, as a focal point of a wide reaching demographic - and the fact we are striving to be 'community' club etc, is it right we stand by him? Taking my personal feelings aside of how I would react as a boss and forget the fact he has been a good player recently, is it right we keep him and be seen to condone his actions?

If it was Louie Soares or Miguel Cominges would people be so quick to defend him?

There are plenty of examples of players committing off the field misdemeanors and being sacked by their clubs.

 

[Jaydeaa]

I believe the club will be taking this to the High Court tomorrow and hope to get the sentence overturned or at least reduced.

An appeal wont be heard for at least a week and in first instance needs to be heard at the sentancing court by another judge, to be fair this would never get in front of a High Court even though his a footballer, 3 - 5 days to be in front of another judge at a Maj court then onto last line of appeal at a crown court!

 

[palexander]

Well for starters it's unlikely that my mum would be racially abusing anyone outside a nightclub.

If prison is not to punish & correct criminal acts what is the point of it? Maybe we should adopt the pboreham system of create social leppers who may never work again, that'll sort crime out.

Does it matter if he was racially abused? He could have still walked away - kicking someone in the head doesnt make it right or 'even the score'. I'm not saying it would be easy to walk away, but that is what he *should* have done.

He'll get another gig in football anyways, I never said he should be banned from playing again!?

 

[Cricko]

Louie Soars it's your turn to shine!

There is more chance of you getting Green rep than that.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Yes, he has been rightly punished by the courts.

I'm just saying, as a focal point of a wide reaching demographic - and the fact we are striving to be 'community' club etc, is it right we stand by him? Taking my personal feelings aside of how I would react as a boss and forget the fact he has been a good player recently, is it right we keep him and be seen to condone his actions?

If it was Louie Soares or Miguel Cominges would people be so quick to defend him?

There are plenty of examples of players committing off the field misdemeanors and being sacked by their clubs.

I see where you're coming from, but I just disagree. Had it been a hate crime in itself then yes, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but if it's a case of being the victim of racism, and then just over reacting, I'd say we stick with him.

How would you feel out of interest, if you heard that the person that abused him, and therefore incited this crime, was a supporter of one of our rivals? Easy way to get rid of a club's top player? That's purely hypothetical by the way, I've no idea who the other party was in this

 

[palexander]

My last point on whether to sack him or not is I'm pretty sure these things would be standard in a contract? That bringing the club name into disrepute or any serious breach of the law could be met with instant termination?...

Anyways, thats me over and out - nobody agrees with me so no point carrying on. The whole episode says a lot about society today IMO.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

Yes, he has been rightly punished by the courts.

I'm just saying, as a focal point of a wide reaching demographic - and the fact we are striving to be 'community' club etc, is it right we stand by him? Taking my personal feelings aside of how I would react as a boss and forget the fact he has been a good player recently, is it right we keep him and be seen to condone his actions?

If it was Louie Soares or Miguel Cominges would people be so quick to defend him?

There are plenty of examples of players committing off the field misdemeanors and being sacked by their clubs.

Is it right that as a 'Community' club we should offer no chance of rehabilition? Isn't part of the work of clubs in the community schemes (including our own) to offer chances to kids who have had brushes with the law?

Just because other clubs have sacked players doesn't make it right, also I would imagine it should depend on the crime.

While it's true Hall has been one of our best players so we'll miss him alot. I would hope the my & the clubs support would remain the same if it was a 'lesser' player. If Hall were to repeat offend however my support would be far less.

 

[palexander]

I see where you're coming from, but I just disagree. Had it been a hate crime in itself then yes, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but if it's a case of being the victim of racism, and then just over reacting, I'd say we stick with him.

How would you feel out of interest, if you heard that the person that abused him, and therefore incited this crime, was a supporter of one of our rivals? Easy way to get rid of a club's top player? That's purely hypothetical by the way, I've no idea who the other party was in this

Think there has been a few cases of that hasnt there? Like Liverpool players getting abused by rivals and Man U players getting abused by rivals. Wasnt the recentish Steven Gerrard case against an Everton fan? Not sure... but yea, see your point. Still think there is no excuse and as a professional they should walk away as a duty to their employers.

 

[hindle_666]

I remember Pennant playing with a tag a few years back.....so it is possible.

 

[Jai]

Blimey the amount of court cases I have sat through where scummy scroats who have committed offence after offence get off with a community punishment order... I don't condone what Ryan's done of course but it looks like he has been well and truly made an example of.

 

[Smiffy]

Blimey the amount of court cases I have sat through where scummy scroats who have committed offence after offence get off with a community punishment order... I don't condone what Ryan's done of course but it looks like he has been well and truly made an example of.

Exactly right.

Sounds like Ryan got dealt a bad hand by a judge having a bad day.

Another judge, on another day, would of made him paint public toilet blocks for a few months.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Does it matter if he was racially abused? He could have still walked away - kicking someone in the head doesnt make it right or 'even the score'. I'm not saying it would be easy to walk away, but that is what he *should* have done.

He'll get another gig in football anyways, I never said he should be banned from playing again!?

I think it depends on his reaction. If he is remorseful, acknowledges his offence and resolves to turn over a new leaf which basically i think we'd all want him to do then I'd say let him stay. If he's the big I am etc. and almost proud of getting imprisonned as a badge of honour then I'd say get rid of him. Who knows it may be a turning point in his life. I still think these sort of offences were tailor made for compensation and community service.DCan't see how the public interest is served by imprisonment and this is not because he's our player.