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[callan]

Lol, so you believe in Aliens then but not God......Who said God is not an Alien, he/she would certainly be to us on this Planet.

Where did he say he believed in aliens?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Lol, so you believe in Aliens then but not God......Who said God is not an Alien, he/she would certainly be to us on this Planet.

Well, I didn't say that. But yes, it is statistically possible for life to exist on other planets and highly conceited to think that we're alone. But I don't think they're visiting in little spaceships and coring rectums somehow.

 

[blues_r_best]

Nope. I'm saying it's quite a coincidence that 24,000+ manuscripts found back up what the bible says, and none discredit it.

But how do we know that people (maybe or maybe not involved with Christianity) didn't destroy the evidence that people had wrote against it?

 

[blues_r_best]

Lol, so you believe in Aliens then but not God......Who said God is not an Alien, he/she would certainly be to us on this Planet.

Does it state anywhere that God didn't decide to try again on a different planet?

 

[Mr Plow]

This guy has some interesting views on religion and related topics -

How CAN Atheists Have Morals?

 

[Cricko]

But how do we know that people (maybe or maybe not involved with Christianity) didn't destroy the evidence that people had wrote against it?

That is a fair point Toddy, but do you keep things you disagree with....You might agree, as I have stated before the underlying truth in the Bible about how we should live our lives .."skipping the Drama" ...is a good " Ideal" way to live....In fact i would go as far as to say without most truths from there which still interact in our lives these days we might as well be Cavemen again.

 

[Cricko]

Does it state anywhere that God didn't decide to try again on a different planet?

Aha now you are talking.......I would think there are many many worlds out there in the Cosmos,Some more advanced, some not......If you were this all powerful Energy, but maybe alone in creation surely you would not just sit there and fester but see all of creation in many many forms.

 

[blues_r_best]

That is a fair point Toddy, but do you keep things you disagree with....You might agree, as I have stated before the underlying truth in the Bible about how we should live our lives .."skipping the Drama" ...is a good " Ideal" way to live....In fact i would go as far as to say without most truths from there which still interact in our lives these days we might as well be Cavemen again.

I'm not going to deny the morals in the bible would be a good way to live, it's shaped society worldwide (whilst being spread through less Christian actions) and how people believe should 'behave', but why can't people decide for themselves how they are going to live their lives instead of doing those things because what will happen to them after the die.

I would be interested to see how people were living before christianity, and before religion really, to see if people were living a life of such despicableness that someone felt they needed to change things.

I'm sure it would be easier to say what I'm thinking then writing it down.

 

[Cricko]

I'm not going to deny the morals in the bible would be a good way to live, it's shaped society worldwide (whilst being spread through less Christian actions) and how people believe should 'behave', but why can't people decide for themselves how they are going to live their lives instead of doing those things because what will happen to them after the die.

I would be interested to see how people were living before christianity, and before religion really, to see if people were living a life of such despicableness that someone felt they needed to change things.

I'm sure it would be easier to say what I'm thinking then writing it down.

I think part of the whole thing is ..you do chose to life the live you want to...that is freedom...You are somewhat in control of your own destiny and there are crossroads we all take,some bad that come back to smack us in the face,some that just go sailing on. The point of "God" giving us freedom of choice is for us to make mistakes and learn from them. No system unfortunately works without some sort of law everybody adheres to. This is democracy...Unless of course you live in the USA...;)

 

[Alexis_SUFC]

Have been a church goer (CofE) on and off all my life, chose to be confirmed as an adult after my children had been born, both were baptised in church. My husband was brought up Catholic but is very much non practising now, we married in a CofE church because that was what we both wanted.

I consider myself to be a Christian, and I believe in God and the afterlife. My God is a huge comfort to me in times of trouble and I know that however lapsed a Christian I am, I will always be welcome in His house. I don't question any of this, it is at the core of my self and the way I live.

I respect other people's religious beliefs, and have debated and discussed with those knocking on the door from JWs and Mormons. I don't attend church often at the moment as I don't like the way things have gone at our particular church, I'm a traditionalist not a "happy, clappy".

Each to their own.

Before I send this I would like to point out that I havent read the whole thing so you may have answered it in the rest of the thread.

At the end of the message you say each to their own which I completely agree with being an athiest, but you had your children baptised, something which I'm guessing was yours and your husbands choice not your kids choice and thus not each to their own.

My parents decided to let me choose my own religion when i was old enough and I'm pretty glad they did as I'm not at all religious. If anyone wants to be religious then I dont really care as long as they dont shove their beliefs down my throat.

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

Well, I don't disagree or agree, I haven't thought about it. My first reaction is there is such a thing as coincidence. If someone throws a red stick from 30 yards, someone throws a blue one from 10 yards and someone throws the other colours of the rainbow from a certain distance, isn't it a coincidence if they all fall in the right order?

Nope, just basic probability. Taking aside things like how hard you throw it, and on just a basic level, there are 5040 different arrangements of 7 colours. Therefore not coincidence, just a 1 in 5040 chance.

I think its the fact that the colours or the rainbow are the colours of the rays that make up light. When they are refracted, in this case by rain, the light is split into each coulour, the heaviest is blue i think, which refracts less as it is heavier and red is lighter so it refracts more.

Close, but light is transmitted by the photon particle which is weightless. The light is bent as the rain gives a prism effect. It's wavelength that determines how far it its bent. Blue has a short wavelength so is bent more than red with it's longer wavelength.

 

[Cricko]

Close, but light is transmitted by the photon particle which is weightless. The light is bent as the rain gives a prism effect. It's wavelength that determines how far it its bent. Blue has a short wavelength so is bent more than red with it's longer wavelength.[/quote}

I think I said that earlier in so many words..:finger:

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

I think I said that earlier in so many words..:finger:

I just put it a little better than you :p

Anyway, I never read your post as you're normally on my ignore list :whistling:

 

[osymandus]

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in Kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me...and that reality

Ive used most of them , i dont know you go away for aweek and some bugger opens a can of worms ;)

 

[Cricko]

Ive used most of them , i dont know you go away for aweek and some bugger opens a can of worms ;)

Welcome back Ozzy ...Now get stuck in lol

 

[osymandus]

It depends what you mean by proof. If you take proof of court as proof, or as it being very likely that a man killed a woman then you should take it that the resurrection happened, due to overwhelming evidence.

I must disagree. It's been proven that all the gospels (the only books you need in the bible for it all to fall down if it was proven wrong) were all written within 60 years of Jesus death. Don't you think that if the disciples were spouting rubbish that the people would laugh them off and it would never have got to a worldwide belief? That's a poorly educated excuse I must admit.

Just to pick yopu up on this the 5 books of the aposiles (those chosen remember recently Judas's book as been brought to light as well has evidence that Mary Magadline also had teachings ) each or believed to be written some where between 60-100 after the event .

Also the holy roman empire molded and formed the Christian idelolgy to fit its own (suplementing for instance mithras with Jesus and adding the Roman gods to fit the new). Jesus was easierly sellable to the average pion of a decaying roman empire.

Theres also theories to show that Jesus THE christ (christ is a title means messanger(and there were a good many Christis (greek Kristos light bringer as well at the time) was educated in Egypt as part of the Isian and Osrisi cults, along with after cruxifiction (which i should also point out is not a cross as we know it more a letter T or Tau shaped object ) left and wondered to Indian and beyound

. Plus as an add on to the Jewish idea of the messiach libertor the warrior king (the Jewish messiah had to be a desendant of David).

Lawyers don't decide historical evidence or representation of what is the current thinking on a subject btw .

There were religions before monoatheistic big 3 and there are relgions afterwards . Some dont have big swirly bearded men in the clouds , some even have woman as authority figures in their "churchs" , some use scientific thoey others using transantory man manipulation that would make Darren Brown **** himself , others use both togther (Hermetic science MK a favouorite of Issac Newton)

For me everyone should do what thou wilt shall be the whole of teh law , love is the law love under will ;)

 

[osymandus]

Er no, Rainbows are just refracted light that with our optical vision we see as different colours....it is mainly down to atmospheric conditions in the outer layer of the Earth and the Sun.

I think....

Rainbows are either 1) The goddess Iris the other messanger of the greek gods
2) The Rainbow bridge , a bridge between here and Asgard (Norse myth)

3) Rainbow serpet (in Aboriginal beilef)

4) A sign for an intresting type of shop in Brighton ;)

 

[Shrimpersarmy]

I consider myself to be a Christian, and I believe in God and the afterlife. My God is a huge comfort to me in times of trouble and I know that however lapsed a Christian I am, I will always be welcome in His house. I don't question any of this, it is at the core of my self and the way I live.

The above quote more or less sums up my beliefs on this sort of thing.

Can't believe i missed this thread before, there is some really good stuff written on here.

 

[osymandus]

Deus est homme

 

[OldBlueLady]

Before I send this I would like to point out that I havent read the whole thing so you may have answered it in the rest of the thread.

At the end of the message you say each to their own which I completely agree with being an athiest, but you had your children baptised, something which I'm guessing was yours and your husbands choice not your kids choice and thus not each to their own.

My parents decided to let me choose my own religion when i was old enough and I'm pretty glad they did as I'm not at all religious. If anyone wants to be religious then I dont really care as long as they dont shove their beliefs down my throat.

The reason we had the children baptised as any Christian will tell you is that until they are able to form their own opinion enough to wish to be confirmed, then you have full responsibility for their spiritual well being. Traditionally, you need to have been baptised to gain entry into Heaven and obviously a baby cannot speak for themselves so the baby is baptised to protect them. This service should be witnessed and affirmed by the child's God parents who stand in lieu of the parents in case of their death.

This is the age old reason that people rushed to have sick babies baptised in hospital as they didn't want their babies to be denied access to Heaven.