PS tell us the Facts re Eastwood

[McNasty]

If Eastwood was injured, why was he on the bench?

To be honest I thought Benyon did alright, and definitely looked fitter then I've seen him before, we obviously needed someone that was going to work hard to harass Brentford's back four, and I don't see Eastwood being that type of player. He is more the type that would sit and wait for the ball and then work with it..

He might have injured himself in the pre-match warm up.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Perhaps Eastwood was more injured than first thought and PS didn't want to risk him at all.

Thats true. Why have him on the bench though at all? He would have had a fitness test pre match id have thought

Just seen ur post above. He looked uninjured in the pre match shooting practice and again looked ok messing about with the other subs at half time.

 

[dingleydangley]

I would without a doubt choose Tomlin and Britt over Freddy.

It would be a toss up between who would be 3rd choice striker, but Corr seems to be doing better at the moment. Freddy would definitely come before Benyon and Harris, so putting Benyon on the other day was a bit of a kick in the teeth for Freddy fans.

Maybe they should start wearing mouth guards, then, the poor sensitive souls. If Elliot Benyon is released, he'll find another club. I would be very surprised if another league club was prepared to take Eastwood. Sturrock has to make the best of a bad job and attempt to get him fit. If Harris manages to find anywhere near the form of the end of last season, I doubt if we'll even have to watch Eastwood 'warming up' quite soon.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Major bias? Freddy has come on as sub quite a few times recently and Benyon hasnt even been on the bench. Just because Benyon came on yesterday and Eastwood didnt, it doesnt make Sturrock biased in any way whatsoever. In a game where we had to try and close down Brentford for the last 15, it made more sense having Benyon on over Eastwood.

It didn't make sense to me to play for a draw by bringing Benyon on.

Brentford were there for the taking in the last 15 mins but it will be a lot more difficult task beating them on their own patch in the replay.

If anything I would if kept Corr on as he was causing them havoc in defence.

If anything Benyon causes us to be put under more pressure as he isn't exactly a target to hold the ball up the other end.

 

[eastling]

If anything I would if kept Corr on as he was causing them havoc in defence.

Yep BBBC could have stayed on as defensively Brentford were having a mare against him. However, he pulled up a little sometime during the second half seemed to be his thigh he was holding so probably it was best to sub him.

 

[McNasty]

Thats true. Why have him on the bench though at all? He would have had a fitness test pre match id have thought

Just seen ur post above. He looked uninjured in the pre match shooting practice and again looked ok messing about with the other subs at half time.

In that case mate I have no idea.

 

[dannypav]

The Eastwood debate is frankly getting duller than the Smith one ( if that's possible ).
We have for the most part been winning games with two hard working strikers.
Corr gives us an alternative option and his two goals yesterday surely mean he is now the first choice striker to come in for Britt or Tomlin.
Still people bemoan the lack of Freddy !!
If he comes on soon and wins us a game , the 'I TOLD YOU SO' gang will be on here as fast as their little fingers can type.

 

[The Big Shrimp]

The facts are this. We have a small squad with not a huge depth of quality. A lot of players have been playing with niggles or injuries, as the club spend more money on K tape, to keep them out on the pitch than any other fitness aid. Look at the players that have been taped up over the last few weeks. Hurst, Corr, Freddy, Phillips to name a few.

PS didn't want Freddy signed & this is obvious in how he has played him. Freddy hasn't been given the same chances to prove himself like Tomlin. This means either Freddy wasn't fit or PS has said "over my dead body will he play." I would guess the former. The problem we have is Freddy is never going to get the chance whilst we have fit strikers, so unless Corr & either Britt or Tomlin get injured, we will never know.

The one thing I will say in defence of Freddy is when he has come on for the last 5/10 minutes, he has made one good chance for us to score e.g. Corrs missed sitter vs Gillingham!

 

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Couldnt agree more with dannypav's comments re Eastwood in the match report thread. Some of the 'get Freddy on' brigade are a disgrace - people near me booing when Benyon came on ffs.
Watched Freddy in recent weeks, he's the only sub not to warm up in the first half of games. he strolls on the pitch at half time, kicks a couple of balls, ambles off again bot mo actual wariming up. the only time I see him warm up is the 2 minutes before he's come on. He looks overweight and frankly dis-interested.I fear he will drop down further.
You've got to want it Freddy. Can you look yourself in the mirror and say the desire and hunger is still there?​

 

[Jam_Man]

In many peoples opinion, not just mine. Chapperzuk's post below my post alludes to the same thing.


I'd also remind you that Corr scored twice yesterday, giving us a lifeline in the Cup

Being brought on with 3 minutes to go, which seems to happen more than being brought on with 15 minutes to go is hardly giving Eastwood time to have an impact.

 

[southchurchblue]

Where i sat in east stand a couple of fans few rows behind me started shouting at the bench to give eastwood a chance and were annoyed when benyon came on.
Bloke sitting behind me shouted back not good enough,not fit enough and quoted the wage he's on there was silence.
I dont like seeing fans fall out like this but the bloke had been to most home and away matches this season so he's a better judge than me at present.
I dont know whats going on with freddy eastwood but clearly sturrock&coughlan think he's not ready yet or there's things going on you and i dont know about.
Just wanted to say great performance from the team on another day we might have won Rosler looked releived at the end of the game.

 

[Jam_Man]

Where i sat in east stand a couple of fans few rows behind me started shouting at the bench to give eastwood a chance and were annoyed when benyon came on.
Bloke sitting behind me shouted back not good enough,not fit enough and quoted the wage he's on there was silence.
I dont like seeing fans fall out like this but the bloke had been to most home and away matches this season so he's a better judge than me at present.
I dont know whats going on with freddy eastwood but clearly sturrock&coughlan think he's not ready yet or there's things going on you and i dont know about.
Just wanted to say great performance from the team on another day we might have won Rosler looked releived at the end of the game.

What wage did he quote? If it was anything above 1.7k he is talking out of his backside.

 

[danburyshrimper]

Its incredible people slagging off Benyon just because their beloved Fred didnt come on as sub. Paul Sturrock sees all the players in our squad every day at training and he knows better than all of us who can do what and when. The match was played a high tempo and lets face it we were playing brilliantly so why risk bringing on a player who possibly wouldnt give 100% commitment to the cause.
Ideally Corr would have come off earlier as he was cream crackered . Ideally Benyon would have come on as sub earlier but playing alongside a big man then we would see the real qualities of Benyon.
But although he is not going to win many headers he hassled and harrassed for those 12 minutes and ensured that Brentford didnt have time on the ball to create anything and he linked up well with quick feet twice to set up shots at goal for others.

So lay off Benyon -- he deserves the chance to play , so if he does start tomorrow night up front alongside Tomlin ( who played superbly well again on saturday) then i shall be cheering him on at Oxford + getting behind him and all the team...

Its a massive match so lets be right up for this one , Wembley is calling us this season , i can feel it ........ :thumbsup:

 

[Jam_Man]

Its incredible people slagging off Benyon just because their beloved Fred didnt come on as sub. Paul Sturrock sees all the players in our squad every day at training and he knows better than all of us who can do what and when. The match was played a high tempo and lets face it we were playing brilliantly so why risk bringing on a player who possibly wouldnt give 100% commitment to the cause.
Ideally Corr would have come off earlier as he was cream crackered . Ideally Benyon would have come on as sub earlier but playing alongside a big man then we would see the real qualities of Benyon.
But although he is not going to win many headers he hassled and harrassed for those 12 minutes and ensured that Brentford didnt have time on the ball to create anything and he linked up well with quick feet twice to set up shots at goal for others.

So lay off Benyon -- he deserves the chance to play , so if he does start tomorrow night up front alongside Tomlin ( who played superbly well again on saturday) then i shall be cheering him on at Oxford + getting behind him and all the team...

Its a massive match so lets be right up for this one , Wembley is calling us this season , i can feel it ........ :thumbsup:

Not really, when has Benyon actually done anything ?

If he was to deliver something, a goal threat or something in his build up play then you could understand.

Eastwood may be well off the pace but you always feel when he is on the ball he can produce a pass or something that could lead to a chance. Benyon I just dont see what he brings, he has certainly never shown any 'quality' when Ive seen him.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

In your opinion. There are those of us who have been able to appreciate the vision and skill he has been able to show in those short bursts. I'd remind you he set up Corr with a sitter the other night which Corr failed to finish.

His 'vision' has almost entirely consisted of laying the ball back to Clohessy or Prosser. OK, I have the misfortune to remember Drewe, so I can appreciate the touch and the weight of the pass, but it hasn't been game changing stuff.

For that one example of the cross against Gillingham, you could counter with the example of the Bury game where we had a 3 on 2 as he ran with the ball and he missed Tomlin unmarked through the middle crying out for the through ball, then Hurst bombing forward in acres of space on the right. Twice he failed to pick the right pass and he ended up being tackled or something. I was shocked as he had so long and didn't seem to see the right ball at all.

When he'd signed, I'd have thought Assombalonga would be just the type of player Freddy needed to supply, but he's shown absolutely no signs of a relationship with Britt. He just hasn't read his runs at all.

In fact he doesn't link up with Tomlin either. There's just no interplay with either or our first choice forwards when he comes on. The only forward there's been any flickering of understanding with is BBBC and even that's patchy.

Being brought on with 3 minutes to go, which seems to happen more than being brought on with 15 minutes to go is hardly giving Eastwood time to have an impact.

Except the facts (as this is a thread saying "tell us the facts") inconveniently show that he hasn't once been bought on with 3 minutes or less.

*Awaits goalposts to move*

His average substitute appearance is for 19.4 minutes.

His average start is for 80.5 minutes.

 

[Jam_Man]

Except the facts (as this is a thread saying "tell us the facts") inconveniently show that he hasn't once been bought on with 3 minutes or less.

*Awaits goalposts to move*

His average substitute appearance is for 19.4 minutes.

His average start is for 80.5 minutes.

Heres some of those facts :

Ok so 3 minutes may have been slightly exaggerated (itsa massive 4 minutes), but in his last 9 subs appearances he got less than 8 minutes 6 times.

Gillingham (Eastwood - 75)
Burton (Eastwood - 76)
Dagenham (Eastwood - 85' )
Chesterfield (Eastwood - 82' )
Bradford (Eastwood - 86' )
Bury (Eastwood - 73' )
Fleetwood (Eastwood - 82' )
Torquay (Eastwood - 84' )
Port Vale (Eastwood - 86')

Even if you take Eastwood out of the equation making subs that late in the game is rarely going to allow the player to have time to even get into the game, let alone do anything.

Not saying he has performed on the couple of occassions he started, but to say he should be making an impact when being brought on regularly in the last 8 minutes is asking too much of any player.

 

[Beefy]

If Freddy Eastwood wasn't called Freddy Eastwood then he wouldn't have so many people clamouring for him to be playing.

If Freddy Eastwood wasn't called Freddy Eastwood he wouldn't have so many people insulting his attitute, his weight and holding him up to an impossible standard.

It works both ways and each are frankly tedious. I'm a huge Eastwood fan. From what I've seen since he came back I think he still has the ability to do the business at this level but our two starting strikers are great, Big Bad Barry Corr is a goddamn legend in the making and beyond those three there's Harris & Benyon available as well. Any striker would find it difficult to establish themselves in those circumstances - let alone one with injury problems.

Freddy should be treated like any other player. Paul Sturrock is one of the best managers in the country and I've faith in him to make the right decisions.

 

[Jam_Man]

I personally stopped clamouring for Freddy to play as our first choice are clearly the right choice. I also cant complain about Corr playing ahead of him.

I do wonder if Tomlin and Britt will continue their feats though, now there have been a few games without a win I wonder how much Tomlins confidence will be knocked, and if it is then we will need to use the subs more.

The only criticism I have is using strikers after the 80th minute, that goes for all of them not just Eastwood.

 

[Davros]

Any striker can 'put them self about'. Stick me on the pitch and I'd run around a lot. Fred is far more likely to create or score a goal than a player who has scored 4 goals since Jan 2011. Even on tues vs the gills he created a gilt edged chance for corr.

Seems Luggy doesn't want Fred or Benyon so should get rid of both if that's the case because both will be on a decent wage I imagine.

As opposed to Fred who has scored a record breaking 5 goals since Jan 2011!

 

[Beefy]

As opposed to Fred who has scored a record breaking 5 goals since Jan 2011!

Freddy has score nine goals in that time - if you're including Jan 2011 in that timeframe. He's scored six since the end of that month.