Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[stewart]

All this reason and logic being thrust too and fro ,when the league rules state if a season is not finished there can be no promotion or relegation ,sorry seems so straight forward to me. If the powers that be cannot uphold the league rules then each one of them should immediately resign their position on the bord and allow those that can uphold the rules to take over.When that is done only then can they change the rules or bring in new laws to cover any future unexpected scenarios .

 

[stewart]

If the chairman and owners of clubs dont like that then sell your fking clubs

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

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quick question of those teams you mention had any of them guaranteed promotion or their championship?

if not (and this early in the morning I truly do not know) then surely it is the same case a saying far enough to go for SUFC to stay up as there are 27 points to play for (thats in our division)

Indeed. In the Championship Leeds were 7 points ahead of Fulham with 9 games to play. Hardly “nailed on”. In league 1 there’s 8 points separating 1st and 6th. That’s a little different to your 25 point lead that Liverpool have. I think to award any team promotion would be unfair and would really discredit football in this country. Someone needs to grab this by the balls and make a decision, who cares what Leeds United and others think they “deserve”. Either play on (looking increasingly unlikely) or void the season.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Indeed. In the Championship Leeds were 7 points ahead of Fulham with 9 games to play. Hardly “nailed on”. In league 1 there’s 8 points separating 1st and 6th. That’s a little different to your 25 point lead that Liverpool have. I think to award any team promotion would be unfair and would really discredit football in this country. Someone needs to grab this by the balls and make a decision, who cares what Leeds United and others think they “deserve”. Either play on (looking increasingly unlikely) or void the season.

agree.

for me you cannot use one method for one and another for someone else. You have to look at it in the same light. No one as far as I can tell is guaranteed anything, they maybe very close but not guaranteed. SOuthend were almost nailed on for relegation if the season had ran its course, but as it hasn't you cant say for 100% certainty that we would have gone down (99% maybe lol) and by the same context you cannot say Liverpool have wont he prem (99% certain of course).

I am conflicted as I want one thing for Southend, but that doesn’t tie in with my work lol.

As you say someone needs to grab something and make a decision, far to much prevaricating by those who run the game, openers and clubs will always do what’s best for them and that is only natural it is what we would all do

 

[Ricey]

Even with a 25 point lead it was still mathematically possible for Liverpool to **** it up. If you can’t play the games it should be null and void. Plain and simple!

And as for record books who gives a ****! It will always be overshadowed by the 34k+ people who have lost their lives.

 

[Zeuss]

agree.

for me you cannot use one method for one and another for someone else. You have to look at it in the same light. No one as far as I can tell is guaranteed anything, they maybe very close but not guaranteed. SOuthend were almost nailed on for relegation if the season had ran its course, but as it hasn't you cant say for 100% certainty that we would have gone down (99% maybe lol) and by the same context you cannot say Liverpool have wont he prem (99% certain of course).

I am conflicted as I want one thing for Southend, but that doesn’t tie in with my work lol.

As you say someone needs to grab something and make a decision, far to much prevaricating by those who run the game, openers and clubs will always do what’s best for them and that is only natural it is what we would all do

My point is and always has been that there is no way this season can be continued/completed in a satisfactory and safe manner.Looking at the league tables showing what has actually occurred,not trying to predict what would or could have occurred,it is obvious that relegation issues are complex—just look at the bottom of the Prem.-and play-offs ,a lottery at the best of times....... BUT it just so happens that there are 7 teams across the 5 top divisions, that are quite comfortably ahead of rivals and can easily be promoted(not Liverpool!) without greatly disturbing the league structure for next season.
For the record the 7 teams:-
Liverpool
Leeds WBA
Coventry
Crewe Swindon
Barrow

Only Plymouth in League 2 would have any right to feel slightly disappointed.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

My point is and always has been that there is no way this season can be continued/completed in a satisfactory and safe manner.Looking at the league tables showing what has actually occurred,not trying to predict what would or could have occurred,it is obvious that relegation issues are complex—just look at the bottom of the Prem.-and play-offs ,a lottery at the best of times....... BUT it just so happens that there are 7 teams across the 5 top divisions, that are quite comfortably ahead of rivals and can easily be promoted(not Liverpool!) without greatly disturbing the league structure for next season.
For the record the 7 teams:-
Liverpool
Leeds WBA
Coventry
Crewe Swindon
Barrow

Only Plymouth in League 2 would have any right to feel slightly disappointed.

But they are not guaranteed anything so cannot be easily promoted in the way you suggest. You have to be uniform about how you make the decision or you open yourself up to legal avenues.

for me i do agree with what your saying but you can then apply that logic to say Bolton and ourselves for relegation, we are far enough behind (on the logic you mention) to be relegated.

It all goes back to being uniform. I have been in so many meetings the last 2 months where this just goes back and forward and from each clubs perspective i get it but from a higher level they are prevaricating. It’s a farcical situation now, either just void the whole thing without awarding anything or have a vote on solutions or worst case enforce something and then take what’s coming

 

[Fairport]

Nothing should be decided in sport on "predicted" results. If we could predict outcomes accurately we could make a fortune from the bookies. Null and void the season is the only answer.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Nothing should be decided in sport on "predicted" results. If we could predict outcomes accurately we could make a fortune from the bookies. Null and void the season is the only answer.

Two of the biggest issues and questions around voiding is What happens with FFP and how much TV money, premier league solidarity payments and sponsorship money will clubs have to give back. The latter one is for the clubs it work out with their own sponsors but the other 2 are league driven and they have not yet answered those.

 

[FiremanBlue]

Perhaps when the Premiership starts to finish this season, as surely it will due to TV pressure, instead of sponsors on the shirts, would be nice if the players wore a picture of one of the 34,000 people who have died starting with nurses, doctors, careworkers, who earn peanuts to the 100k a week players who still defy the lockdown, and then put it to people, is it worth starting again for a medal to hang around their necks

Troy Deeney and Andy Cole have both spoken well on TV, for reason why it shouldnot start unless 100 % confident

I hate reading stats as they canbe used and abused in anyway that suits

 

[Rob49]

Perhaps when the Premiership starts to finish this season, as surely it will due to TV pressure, instead of sponsors on the shirts, would be nice if the players wore a picture of one of the 34,000 people who have died starting with nurses, doctors, careworkers, who earn peanuts to the 100k a week players who still defy the lockdown, and then put it to people, is it worth starting again for a medal to hang around their necks

Troy Deeney and Andy Cole have both spoken well on TV, for reason why it shouldnot start unless 100 % confident

I hate reading stats as they canbe used and abused in anyway that suits

One player has already done that. Leyton Orient have done exceedingly well to negotiate Harry Kane(a former loan player) to sponsor/endorse their three kits for next season. Each top has a charity on it. Frontline workers, Mind and Haven House.
Kane has given a six figure sum for this and 10% of each sale goes towards the given charity.
The. O’s yesterday reported after only a few days a that they have already outsold last seasons total of replica tops.
i know some dislike Orient but they have without doubt secured an amazing sponsorship which raises funds for charity and the club and Kane has gone up even higher in my estimation.
kane has

 

[NZamba Legend]

One player has already done that. Leyton Orient have done exceedingly well to negotiate Harry Kane(a former loan player) to sponsor/endorse their three kits for next season. Each top has a charity on it. Frontline workers, Mind and Haven House.
Kane has given a six figure sum for this and 10% of each sale goes towards the given charity.
The. O’s yesterday reported after only a few days a that they have already outsold last seasons total of replica tops.
i know some dislike Orient but they have without doubt secured an amazing sponsorship which raises funds for charity and the club and Kane has gone up even higher in my estimation.
kane has

I dislike Orient and Harry Kane but this is good. Maybe one of our successful ex-players could do the same, and 'give something back' to the club that first gave them the platform to shine.

 

[kentblues]

The L1 situation is a fiasco but I suspect the area of maximum danger for the EFL may be the Championship.

Looking at the Premier League restart from BBC, Premier League "Chief executive Richard Masters suggested that any proposal of a new date could hinge upon when teams begin contact training, with further talks expected to take place, "in the next week to 10 days".

It took the Bundesliga nearly five weeks from starting non-contact training to playing matches. After Monday's announcement by the Premier League, that would leave them looking at either 19 or 26 June."

So forget the headlines with sports journalists pretty much taking the role of letterboxes for league spokespeople. The real restart date is looking like towards the end of June. Note also the Championship is behind in terms the restart. Even if a week later they could be looking at July start.

Hull have become the first to formally write to the EFL demanding the season is voided. If the Championship for any reason were not to finish any attempt to relegate will go to court with clubs in the relegation zone likely getting an injunction to prevent relegation. EFL will know that completing the Championship will be absolutely critical with everything rapidly unravelling if not.

These individual league votes are advisory and subject to ratification- something that might not be possible in terms of promotions and relegations for weeks..

 

[Kestrel]

The L1 situation is a fiasco but I suspect the area of maximum danger for the EFL may be the Championship.

Looking at the Premier League restart from BBC, Premier League "Chief executive Richard Masters suggested that any proposal of a new date could hinge upon when teams begin contact training, with further talks expected to take place, "in the next week to 10 days".

It took the Bundesliga nearly five weeks from starting non-contact training to playing matches. After Monday's announcement by the Premier League, that would leave them looking at either 19 or 26 June."

So forget the headlines with sports journalists pretty much taking the role of letterboxes for league spokespeople. The real restart date is looking like towards the end of June. Note also the Championship is behind in terms the restart. Even if a week later they could be looking at July start.

Hull have become the first to formally write to the EFL demanding the season is voided. If the Championship for any reason were not to finish any attempt to relegate will go to court with clubs in the relegation zone likely getting an injunction to prevent relegation. EFL will know that completing the Championship will be absolutely critical with everything rapidly unravelling if not.

These individual league votes are advisory and subject to ratification- something that might not be possible in terms of promotions and relegations for weeks..

Which is why the only real option open to the EFL is to void all leagues - that way, every club is subject to exactly the same outcome. Had it been the case that ALL relegation/promotion positions had already been decided then there's an argument to promote/relegate teams.

But they haven't been decided, so cannot possibly be decided through prediction alone.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Which is why the only real option open to the EFL is to void all leagues - that way, every club is subject to exactly the same outcome. Had it been the case that ALL relegation/promotion positions had already been decided then there's an argument to promote/relegate teams.

But they haven't been decided, so cannot possibly be decided through prediction alone.

I didnt at first but i do now think its the only option. But as I have said many times there are still issues.

C,ubs replaying solidarity and tv requires, could go jackfruit in the lower divisions, these will have to be repaid and the FA and EFL have yet to confirm what that amount would be.

SPonsor repayments these the clubs will know and if they have too again that could be problematic.

So while it would seem the best and most logical there are issues of concern,

 

[Zeuss]

Which is why the only real option open to the EFL is to void all leagues - that way, every club is subject to exactly the same outcome. Had it been the case that ALL relegation/promotion positions had already been decided then there's an argument to promote/relegate teams.

But they haven't been decided, so cannot possibly be decided through prediction alone.

I’m confident my solution ,promoting those 5 EFL clubs + Barrow, that finished in a commanding position ,would preclude any worthwhile legal challenges.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

I’m confident my solution ,promoting those 5 EFL clubs + Barrow, that finished in a commanding position ,would preclude any worthwhile legal challenges.

In my opinion it wouldn’t at all, because you cannot treat teams differently across the league. Just May opinion you may think it is wrone at that is fine, but i do not think any team in any division in a potential playoff or promotion spot will say yeah promote those and not me. The argument that it is a potential spot is the same as they may potentially win the league.

Hisotry is littered of incidents where teams blow leads or plummet down leagues and get relegated. What ever is to be done has to be agreed y all clubs in the affected division or better still the same solution for the whole league (very unlikely that will happen).

I do not se your suggesting happening or being proposed and if proposed being accepted by a majority.

As i say just my opinion and as i say you will disagree but c’est la vie.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

The best things is to promote clubs in each division and no relegation, then increase relegation places for next season to correct it.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

The best things is to promote clubs in each division and no relegation, then increase relegation places for next season to correct it.

may work but thatwould mean roughly 6 relegated the following season from the prem with 3 going up, champ would be as usual 3 down, L1 would then have 4 down (still leaving the Bury issue to be resolved) and L2 would be as normal i think

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

may work but thatwould mean roughly 6 relegated the following season from the prem with 3 going up, champ would be as usual 3 down, L1 would then have 4 down (still leaving the Bury issue to be resolved) and L2 would be as normal i think

It’s will keep everyone happy.