Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

tallboyblue · May 17, 2020

The season as we know it never happened. Wipe it out.

Westcliff DGS · May 17, 2020

Kestrel said:
Exactly this. If there was no provision within the EFL regulations at the start of the season that included a clause on how a final positions table would be calculated in the event of a curtailment of the season, then it cannot be included, lawfully or otherwise, after the season had started. The EFL and clubs knew the conditions of competition at the beginning of the season and to amend those, prior to the full completion of fixtures, would deem any involvement until the point of amendment as null and void.

Agree 100% been said so many times in meetings.

i posted here earlier in the week someone said the contact between the clubs and league could be challenged as the rules haven’t changed for a while so are they fit. They compared it to the energy industry where contracts have been challenged when they are long term contracts as they become out of date due to prices and conditions etc apparently a lot of these have challenged and won so terms are redrawn and backdated in some cases. my View is Thats ridiculous but apparently it’s happening, my guess is that maybe the EFL are worried about that sort of thing as those cases dragged On for 18 months too 2 years, I don’t see the comparison and I. Just airing what. Someone said to me outside of a meeting a week or so ago.

overall from the meetings that I have been too, the overriding consensus was that most would like to finish the season if it is economically viable to do so, it isn’t for clubs in L2 and isn’t for most in L1, so e clubs will have their own views on that and will public ally state them but it doesn’t make it right for all teams. The Championship are pretty much all agreed on finishing the season, those in the prem it is just the well known few making it hard and objecting pretty much to any suggestion

Strykr · May 17, 2020

As much as i hate being in league 2, staying up would be undeserved, we have been total crap all season, one of the worst teams ever so to stay up feels wrong

Mad Cyril · May 17, 2020

Strykr said:
As much as i hate being in league 2, staying up would be undeserved, we have been total crap all season, one of the worst teams ever so to stay up feels wrong

But we are better than Orient and Colchester.

ace · May 17, 2020

Not sure if this as been reported......

Many League One managers leaning towards ENDING season now

The respective club managers have indicated that Bolton and Southend United should be relegated but Tranmere Rovers stay in the division. Bury having already lost their place in the league.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Stuart W · May 17, 2020

ace said:
Not sure if this as been reported......

Many League One managers leaning towards ENDING season now

The respective club managers have indicated that Bolton and Southend United should be relegated but Tranmere Rovers stay in the division. Bury having already lost their place in the league.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So four coming up from League 2 and only 2 relegated into League 2. Assuming it is 3 up into the Championship and 3 down from the Championship, then League 1goes from 23 clubs this season to 25 next season.
Wake me up when we get a sensible solution..........

Rayleigh boy · May 17, 2020

i think L2 and their "decision" is fairly irrelevant ..

the situation is going to be governed by what the big boys want ..

L2 might want promotion and no relegation (i get the thinking there) but I would think it depends on what happens in the decision making in CCC and L1 ..

fun and games abound

Medway Blue · May 18, 2020

ace said:
Not sure if this as been reported......

Many League One managers leaning towards ENDING season now

The respective club managers have indicated that Bolton and Southend United should be relegated but Tranmere Rovers stay in the division. Bury having already lost their place in the league.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Everybody should have major issues with that. 3 clubs are supposed be dropping down to L2 this season and whatever anybody else thinks of our’s and Bolton’s performances, one other club has to join us. If they won’t send 3 clubs down, then none should be sent down. And that’s without getting into the fact that a) we are still not mathematically relegated and b) the season has not concluded, and nor will it.

Strykr · May 18, 2020

Mad Cyril said:
But we are better than Orient and Colchester.

Like.

southendkid · May 18, 2020

Stuart W said:
So four coming up from League 2 and only 2 relegated into League 2. Assuming it is 3 up into the Championship and 3 down from the Championship, then League 1goes from 23 clubs this season to 25 next season.
Wake me up when we get a sensible solution..........

Just do 2 relegated from the championship instead of 3 as well, I doubt clubs will complain too much in the championship with that idea, problem solved.

stewart · May 18, 2020

Strykr said:
Like.

ARE WE !

Westcliff DGS · May 18, 2020

southendkid said:
Just do 2 relegated from the championship instead of 3 as well, I doubt clubs will complain too much in the championship with that idea, problem solved.

2 going down would thats for sure, same as some of us would if we went down without the season finishing

Murkey_Mouse · May 18, 2020

Either way, the clubs like Tranmere will sue, the best solution would be solved if team get promoted & no relegation in each division & increases relegation places for next season.

Kestrel · May 18, 2020

Westcliff DGS said:
2 going down would thats for sure, same as some of us would if we went down without the season finishing

Ron just has to stick to his guns and say 'i'm not letting the fate of SUFC be decided by other teams owners when the system of deciding who is relegated/promoted has not been completely fulfilled'. The legal position would be very much in Ron's favour i'd have thought.

Westcliff DGS · May 18, 2020

Murkey_Mouse said:
Either way, the clubs like Tranmere will sue, the best solution would be solved if team get promoted & no relegation in each division & increases relegation places for next season.

there are some issues with this method, and it has been discussed. If 3 came up from L2 then that division would be 3 teams short, NL is voided with no PPG or ply off system so therefore no sporting merit as it stands to promote. very Harsh on some for sure in the NL.

L1 would take 3 teams from L2 but also promote 3 therefore staying as it is this season.

the championship would do the same promote 3 and take 3 teams fRon L1 so again no change.

the prem would go from 20 teams to 23.

that means at the end of next season the NL would need to promote 3 teams into L2 (still haven’t replaced bury as yet in any of this)

L1 and the Championship would be as normal except L1 still only has 23 teams.

the prem would need to relate 6 teams and replace with the 3 promoted from the championship.

its a mess as no one wants to make a decision

Westcliff DGS · May 18, 2020

Kestrel said:
Ron just has to stick to his guns and say 'i'm not letting the fate of SUFC be decided by other teams owners when the system of deciding who is relegated/promoted has not been completely fulfilled'. The legal position would be very much in Ron's favour i'd have thought.

That’s true but it will be a majority vote, if it goes to a vote, there isn’t much consensus (or wasnt last Wednesday) to void the season to the point it never happened so to speak. With L2 voting on suggestions and coming to an agreement, that changes the landscape a little I would guess If the EFL and FA approve the votes suggestion, which is questionable as it seems no relegation to the NL

having said that the NL season is voided, as never happening, so no sporting merit promotion so can anyone be relegated to that division. All very confusing at times

Murkey_Mouse · May 18, 2020

Westcliff DGS said:
there are some issues with this method, and it has been discussed. If 3 came up from L2 then that division would be 3 teams short, NL is voided with no PPG or ply off system so therefore no sporting merit as it stands to promote. very Harsh on some for sure in the NL.

L1 would take 3 teams from L2 but also promote 3 therefore staying as it is this season.

the championship would do the same promote 3 and take 3 teams fRon L1 so again no change.

the prem would go from 20 teams to 23.

that means at the end of next season the NL would need to promote 3 teams into L2 (still haven’t replaced bury as yet in any of this)

L1 and the Championship would be as normal except L1 still only has 23 teams.

the prem would need to relate 6 teams and replace with the 3 promoted from the championship.

its a mess as no one wants to make a decision

It’s stop the majority of clubs taking the league to the court, Charlton, Luton & Barnsley would sue as team from bottom to 14th still could go down, as the bottom 3 of championship believe they can get out of it.

Westcliff DGS · May 18, 2020

Murkey_Mouse said:
It’s stop the majority of clubs taking the league to the court, Charlton, Luton & Barnsley would sue as team from bottom to 14th still could go down, as the bottom 3 of championship believe they can get out of it.

It would yes don’t disagree, but not sure the prem want 23 teams

Mad Cyril · May 18, 2020

tallboyblue said:
The season as we know it never happened. Wipe it out.

I am sure we will all experience terrifying Jacobs Ladder style flashbacks over the years to come.

kentblues · May 18, 2020

The idea of expanding the Prem and no relegations was an early front runner as an option. Including with me. Had the feeling of only winners as it were.

We now have Mr. Posh threatening all sorts. If the EFL expand the L1 play offs beyond 4 teams it tells you they are desperate to try and keep all clubs quiet/happy- definitely those that might go legal. And that they know they will lose in court. This is further evidenced by the suggestion of maybe not relegating Tranmere (again tick off another club that might take it further).

The decision on L1 playoffs will be pivotal in telling us the way this is going- no surprise that the rumour is the EFL are likely to delay yet again and move today's meeting probably to tomorrow..