Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[Stuart W]

Anything less than completing the season before the end of June under the same rules and the same environment as the first three quarters of the season took place under, is not conducive to sporting integrity. And I don’t think anybody should want a season like that in the record books. Hence void remains the only way IMO.

Same environment? Come back in about 2024 for that one.

 

[WestStandBlue]

Anyone know what would happen to bets placed on league winners, promotions and relations

 

[Westcliff DGS]

If the season was voided, stake would be returned. That’s about as much as i know

this is not that situation so presumably different, maybe wise contacting, tweeting or what ever way pepole can contact their bookmaker

 

[Evening Echo]

THE EFL have provided an update after clubs from League One and League met today.

More...

 

[amsemp]

Easiest, fairest and most consistent thing to do is void the whole thing. Some of the proposals are pretty ridiculous and messy as hell. Aside from the obvious legal complications and challenges there’s likely to be from different clubs, it makes no sense to try and finish this season under these conditions. I know there’s an obvious bias here, but common sense should surely prevail.

The integrity of the competition gets banded about so much, but that was lost with the whole Bury fiasco, along with the EFL letting clubs roll 5 or 6 past Bolton’s youth team for the first part of the season before letting them sign a half decent squad.

Whole thing’s ****ed. Just void it and start again next season.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

What is surprising is of the six clubs holding up League One's finish - none (including us) are in the bottom three.
I'm wondering out loud why Ron hasn't challenged the relegation thing, unless he plans to do so at the next meeting?
Agreeing to be relegated without a fight! Surely shome mishtake...

 

[kentblues]

I wasn’t privy to the meeting for L2 but some reporters are saying the sky sports update is wrong and there is in fact relegation from league 2. I am trying to get confirmation.

Something to do with how would the FA look insisting on relegation and promotion to and from the prem then not allowing relegation from league 2. Considering how the FA are looking right now this really just adds to how they look i think.

Given the NL was voided there maybe a case for no promotion or relation to or from it anyway but thats an argument for someone to take up and not me

But the FA has already come up with an impassioned and detailed explanation why promotional and relegation would be wrong at level 3-7 under PPG- i’m confused..

 

[kentblues]

What is surprising is of the six clubs holding up League One's finish - none (including us) are in the bottom three.
I'm wondering out loud why Ron hasn't challenged the relegation thing, unless he plans to do so at the next meeting?
Agreeing to be relegated without a fight! Surely shome mishtake...

Don’t worry dear leader is very used to playing the long game..

 

[Westcliff DGS]

But the FA has already come up with an impassioned and detailed explanation why promotional and relegation would be wrong at level 3-7 under PPG- i’m confused..

I think we all are, Ive been involved and still dont get 100% what they want or what some chairman/ owners want

 

[GBJ]

as I've said before, I'd be disappointed if Ron didn't sue, we aren't mathematically down and they cannot prove that we would have gone down.

As far as I’ve been told;

We are in the EFL’s firing line, for fielding an ineligible player against Lincoln. So those 3 points we obtained from that game, are likely to be scrapped, aswell as an additional points deduction as punishment.

On top of that, there is - although I acknowledge it’s debatable - a chance that we will be docked points for late payment of wages. I know this is deemed as unprecedented by some, but we were warned previously that if it happens again, the PFA would push for a points deduction.

If Ron decided to launch such a flimsy court case, the weight of the opposition would decimate his hopes before it began. Not only do I believe that it would it backfire spectacularly, but it’d cost us a considerable amount of money in the process.

Ergo, I don’t see it happening.

 

[camden shrimper]

I'd rather be relegated and not have the points deduction than play next season in L1 with a handicap. This season has been miserable, it would take a hell of a lot longer than we've had without playing to start getting rose tinted glasses about it.

 

[stewart]

Being relegated without having to start the season with a points deduction is much better than staying in league one with a points deduction.late payments, playing an ineligitable player against Lincoln mmmmmmmm. Yes Ron accept relegation with no points deduction

 

[overseas shrimper]

What is surprising is of the six clubs holding up League One's finish - none (including us) are in the bottom three.
I'm wondering out loud why Ron hasn't challenged the relegation thing, unless he plans to do so at the next meeting?
Agreeing to be relegated without a fight! Surely shome mishtake...

Why not? Ending the season as it began has a lovely symmetry to it.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

I'd rather be relegated and not have the points deduction than play next season in L1 with a handicap. This season has been miserable, it would take a hell of a lot longer than we've had without playing to start getting rose tinted glasses about it.

As they have not dished out the punishment yet there is a chance we could be relegated and have the punishment.

 

[BriggBlue]

As far as I’ve been told;

We are in the EFL’s firing line, for fielding an ineligible player against Lincoln. So those 3 points we obtained from that game, are likely to be scrapped, aswell as an additional points deduction as punishment.

On top of that, there is - although I acknowledge it’s debatable - a chance that we will be docked points for late payment of wages. I know this is deemed as unprecedented by some, but we were warned previously that if it happens again, the PFA would push for a points deduction.

If Ron decided to launch such a flimsy court case, the weight of the opposition would decimate his hopes before it began. Not only do I believe that it would it backfire spectacularly, but it’d cost us a considerable amount of money in the process.

Ergo, I don’t see it happening.

losing 3 points along with a points deduction would be an unprecedented punishment, Liverpool only recieved a fine for doing it in the cup and Sunderland had similar in 2014.

if that was to be applied along with a points deduction for late payment of players we would be incredibly harshly dealt with and I'm sure Ron would appeal.

what worries me is that despite both charges being announced several months ago nothing has been announced regarding any punishment, it's not as if the EFL are doing anything else at the moment

 

[Ricey]

As far as I’ve been told;

We are in the EFL’s firing line, for fielding an ineligible player against Lincoln. So those 3 points we obtained from that game, are likely to be scrapped, aswell as an additional points deduction as punishment.

On top of that, there is - although I acknowledge it’s debatable - a chance that we will be docked points for late payment of wages. I know this is deemed as unprecedented by some, but we were warned previously that if it happens again, the PFA would push for a points deduction.

If Ron decided to launch such a flimsy court case, the weight of the opposition would decimate his hopes before it began. Not only do I believe that it would it backfire spectacularly, but it’d cost us a considerable amount of money in the process.

Ergo, I don’t see it happening.

Losing the 3 points and a points deduction for a player that came on in the 92nd minute would be ****ing disgraceful!

 

[Jay_SUFC]

What is surprising is of the six clubs holding up League One's finish - none (including us) are in the bottom three.
I'm wondering out loud why Ron hasn't challenged the relegation thing, unless he plans to do so at the next meeting?
Agreeing to be relegated without a fight! Surely shome mishtake...

It's not that easy though is it. Every club knows this week go on after the end of June (if it does start) and know they don't want to have to sort out contacts in order to get a side out.

That 6, may not have to worry about that, and promotion to the Championship is a big financial bonus.

 

[Rob1920]

Its ridiculous that finishing the season either by playing or coming up with a convoluted points system is still being discussed. Ok in our position we can't really complain if our relegation was confirmed by a PPG calculation but imagine if that meant your club went down by one or two points, livid wouldn't get close to how you'd feel!! Just void it now & end the madness. People are dying, the economy is crashing, companies are going bust, jobs are being lost, & all some people care about is that they might possibly miss out of promotion. Right now it really isn't important.

 

[GrumpyBlue]

PPG was accepted in rugby (except of course the premiership) - my club (Redruth) were on a 13 match winning run and were in 3rd and could have overtaken the top 2 if the games were played - the PPG system was accepted without the wingeing that comes from footie clubs and promotions and relegations were accepted. One plus for me was that Rochford were promoted so I will be able to see them and Westcliff next season

 

[GBJ]

losing 3 points along with a points deduction would be an unprecedented punishment, Liverpool only recieved a fine for doing it in the cup and Sunderland had similar in 2014.

if that was to be applied along with a points deduction for late payment of players we would be incredibly harshly dealt with and I'm sure Ron would appeal.

what worries me is that despite both charges being announced several months ago nothing has been announced regarding any punishment, it's not as if the EFL are doing anything else at the moment

It’s all relative though, as this is an entirely unprecedented time. If Ron were to poke the bear, it would almost certainly backfire on him and us. The EFL aren’t just going to roll over.

Losing the 3 points and a points deduction for a player that came on in the 92nd minute would be ****ing disgraceful!

I hear ya, but at the end of the day, rules are rules, and as I mentioned above, if the powers-that-be are provoked by frivolous lawsuits, they’ll get as heavy handed as they (arbitrarily) can.