Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[southendkid]

In our case yes, but I’d be ****ed off if I were the other club being relegated. I genuinely don’t think it’s the fairest way.

Well this is a real mess now.

If league two teams are immune from relegation then from a legal standpoint league one teams should not be relegated - only a consistent decision that binds all football league teams irrespective of decision will work otherwise this will be going through the courts for months.

It won't happen because is you said it probably opens it up to legal issues but given that there was only one relegation spot in League 2 this season I'd say scrapping relegation in League 2 is actually the fairest solution. Assuming 2 are still coming up from the National League and 4 are getting promoted to League 1 that would be 22 teams left in League 2, so only 2 teams from League 1 would need to be relegated to make it up to 24 teams. Us and Bolton should be relegated on the grounds that we both had virtually no chance of survival and it means the messy issue of Tranmere vs Wimbledon is sorted.

 

[Colchester and proud!]

He isnt the only one there ate 6 tea publicly wanting to play and 2 who wont say they want to play

Yes but he was the one firing up the others to join in. You would think he might consider the damage he could do to his squad, playing lots of games in a tight timescale with the virus waiting to attack his exhausted players.

 

[Stuart W]

What a big surprise. The whole thing has descended into farce and confusion. Who would have thought clubs would only have their self interest at heart.
Yet another reason why continuing this season next March would have meant this fiasco wouldn't have occurred.

But in the words of Basil Fawlty, "you know best Sybil".

 

[Rob1920]

Just got to end it now so everyone knows where they stand. You can't promote or relegate anyone without all the games being played, and that's just not a realistic possibility. You could argue if there were (which there aren't..) any clubs already mathematically up or down, that should stand. But the knock on effect would be clubs above or below getting either unfairly promoted or relegated to even up the numbers. It may feel unfair to those in and around the top 6 or 7 in League's 1 & 2 but I honestly can't see any other solution. And yes we'd have an incredibly lucky escape but I'd think the same if we were comfortably mid-table. Ok maybe if we were in the top 6 I'd feel different but I think even then deep down inside I'd know it was the only answer.

 

[Depor_Shrimper]

It’s also optimistic to think that playoffs for League 1 & 2 can take place before 31st July which is the key cut off date for concluding the season. As good as it is to see League 2 unified in their approach it really is all down to self-interest.

 

[WestStandBlue]

League two is only a proposal aswell ain’t it? Got to be signed off by EFL? That surely would prefer all leagues the same

 

[Westcliff DGS]

League two is only a proposal aswell ain’t it? Got to be signed off by EFL? That surely would prefer all leagues the same

EFL along with the FA would prefer the divisions to finish, they are certainly planning on the championship to finish, original date was by end of July

 

[Willis]

Have just skimmed the thread, so may have missed someone else posting it, but I've just heard (from someone involved with another L1 club) that EFL training starts 25 May with a 16 June kick off...

 

[kentblues]

I wasn’t privy to the meeting for L2 but some reporters are saying the sky sports update is wrong and there is in fact relegation from league 2. I am trying to get confirmation.

Something to do with how would the FA look insisting on relegation and promotion to and from the prem then not allowing relegation from league 2. Considering how the FA are looking right now this really just adds to how they look i think.

Given the NL was voided there maybe a case for no promotion or relation to or from it anyway but thats an argument for someone to take up and not me

Reported by TalkSport also...

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Tranmere will sue if they get relegated if I was honest.

 

[BriggBlue]

Tranmere will sue if they get relegated if I was honest.

as I've said before, I'd be disappointed if Ron didn't sue, we aren't mathematically down and they cannot prove that we would have gone down.

 

[southendkid]

as I've said before, I'd be disappointed if Ron didn't sue, we aren't mathematically down and they cannot prove that we would have gone down.

We can't even pay the players, how is Ron going to afford a legal team?

 

[Medway Blue]

EFL statement says that their own preferred solution is for UNweighted PPG to be used and promotions and relegations honoured in the event of the campaign in any of the divisions being curtailed. However, a majority of League 2 clubs agree that relegation to the National League should not take place if final positions are decided on PPG, and the EFL will discuss the ramifications of allowing this at their next board meeting. So there is no guarantee that there will be no relegation from League 2 and it’s not what the EFL want.

With that being said, the common League 2 position might well be lost if the request for no relegation is rejected.

 

[camden shrimper]

What they need to do if they are thinking of continuing games is allowing clubs to opt out without further ramifications.

If it came down to Southend having to play games in order to satisfy the league but go out of business because of the cost of the games and testings I would much rather live to fight another day and play L2 next season without financially overburdening myself in the interim.

Let's be honest, we aren't surviving and we cannot afford to play the games at such a loss.

Money + personal interests - fans = mess.

I can't see how different divisions can have different rules though, that's crazy.

 

[kentblues]

We can't even pay the players, how is Ron going to afford a legal team?

The same way he will be paying of HMRC in July- a couple of billionaire partners in a £300m + housing scheme

 

[kentblues]

EFL statement says that their own preferred solution is for UNweighted PPG to be used and promotions and relegations honoured in the event of the campaign in any of the divisions being curtailed. However, a majority of League 2 clubs agree that relegation to the National League should not take place if final positions are decided on PPG, and the EFL will discuss the ramifications of allowing this at their next board meeting. So there is no guarantee that there will be no relegation from League 2 and it’s not what the EFL want.

With that being said, the common League 2 position might well be lost if the request for no relegation is rejected.

Which of course is what the EFL's own competition rules say so hardly unreasonable..

 

[wiggy]

EFL along with the FA would prefer the divisions to finish, they are certainly planning on the championship to finish, original date was by end of July

Only way imo.
If we can still escape (unlikely) then we have to be given that chance.....if a greyhound is 10 lengths clear in a race but the hare stops 5 yards from the line then the race is void....can’t play god and say this is what would have happened . Ron should borrow some of the housing money to fight it along with protecting his excellent past judgment when he said we would not go down lol

 

[kentblues]

According to Sky re L1/Championship

The 'points per game' method and 'promotion on merit' are both being considered by clubs, and EFL chairman Rick Parry said he still expects three clubs to be promoted from the Championship to the Premier League.

"We expect three Championship clubs to be promoted - the Premier League are aware of our position on that. The Premier League expects three clubs to be relegated," he said.

The points-per-game method could either be unweighted or be weighted with home and away results rewarded differently, while 'promotion on merit' would see two clubs in League One and three in League Two (those currently in automatic places) get promoted, but no relegation. However, this option is dependant on a solution being agreed with the Championship."

It gets ever more bizarre we could have PPG and playoffs in L2 with no relegation, and either PPG or "promotion on merit" in Championship and L1.... yet if L1 or particularly Championship went for "promotion on merit" the EFL still expect relegation from Prem and three promoted from Championship. A different solution in each and every league from National all the way up to the Pram. Utterly farcical and unbelievable...

You can't help but see a way thru this utter mess that involves expanding the the Pram by a couple of clubs and then letting "promotion by merit" happen across all divisions. Will accepts enough people however still to end up in court where it may all default to no promotions and relegations at all in line with EFL competition rules.

Can't help but think the hole gets ever deeper because the EFL is intent on allowing each division to make its own decision rather than lead..

 

[Stuart W]

What happened to that phrase "whatever happens we need to maintain the integrity of the game"?
That ship sailed long ago.

 

[Medway Blue]

What happened to that phrase "whatever happens we need to maintain the integrity of the game"?
That ship sailed long ago.

Anything less than completing the season before the end of June under the same rules and the same environment as the first three quarters of the season took place under, is not conducive to sporting integrity. And I don’t think anybody should want a season like that in the record books. Hence void remains the only way IMO.