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Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season
- Thread starter Zeuss
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southendkid
Director⭐
Not everyone will be happy but from a legal standpoint the rules clearly state the EFL is allowed to just make up whatever result they want in the event of a fixture not being completed (which is why they were allowed to give Brentford a 1-0 win despite there being no rule saying what should happen if a match can't be played), so if the season has to be completed they can just fudge what ever results are needed to make it happen.
33.2 Duration of Matches. All League Matches shall be of 90 (ninety) minutes’ duration but any League Match which from any cause whatever falls short of 90 (ninety) minutes’ duration may be ordered to count as a completed fixture or be replayed in full or in part on whatever terms and conditions the Board shall in their absolute discretion determine and shall be played in compliance with these Regulations and the Football Association Rules respectively and under the Laws of the Game as approved by the International Football Association Board. In the event of conflict between any such Rules, Regulations and Laws as aforesaid, the Football Association Rules shall prevail.
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It is all about the money, promotion for some is a priority , relegation is not
f you remember i said months ago everyone will do what’s best for them and hence there will never be an agreement and that is what will lead to possible legal avenues.
It is all about the money, promotion for some is a priority , relegation is not
kentblues
Director⭐
Absolutely. Which is why for so long its been obvious where this will end up. It like being able to see a crash happening down the road and be powerless to avoid it. I had though some sort of fudge of promotions but no relegations would be an outcome. I didn't factor in just how may competition interests and ideas to decide promotion there would be based on self interest. So now I discount this outcome as likely.
It simply plain/complete season or don't. Letter = no promotions/relegations. The sooner the EFL present this as the option the better if they actually want resolution- I do wonder if their cunning plan is to get cancellation first and then present the outcome after (there will be a few clubs bent out of shape but at least the EFL will be on relatively solid ground). Trouble is I dont think the EFL will lead on anything- hence this could run and run..
kentblues
Director⭐
If you were a brief you might try and argue this means that the EFL could declare all outstanding games completed even though they never started.
However, it is not likely (nothing is certain) a strong argument as the drafting is such as to suggest the intent was to determine the outcome of matches that have started but do not run the full 90 mins. Or it might be argued it would have been drafted after "90 (ninety) minutes' duration" to read "or indeed is abandoned prior to kick-off". The argument is further undermined by the fact that there are specific clauses elsewhere that cover what happens with fixtures cancelled or abandoned prior to kick off.
However, the EFL regulations are all there online and viewable so it would be very interesting to hear more reasoned arguments (as indeed your is).
I
If they compete the season there has to be promotion and relegation, if they void then there doesn’t have to be but people will challenge that, someone said to me yesterday that although the rules etc are there it is clear they didn’t cater for every scenario and that is challengeable (I was staggered), it can compare apparently to say the energy industry where contracts were signed years ago for a long period and then they are challenged in which every legal scenario and changed to suit, i would guess and it is a guess this is what some are looking at if they are denied promotion. Just to clarify that isnt my argument, one that was put to me yesterday by some one i was on a call with.
Overall its a mess and I see this dragging on for a few weeks yet, would be surprised if the voters happens today if they do not know what they are voting on till the meeting as they wouldn’t have had time to consider it,
Germany being back is now going to be in the spotlight, i think it is said those guys have had 14 or so days training, yet here teams want 4-6 weeks. If it goes well over there the pressure will intensify.
Yep the crash comparison is spot on.
If they compete the season there has to be promotion and relegation, if they void then there doesn’t have to be but people will challenge that, someone said to me yesterday that although the rules etc are there it is clear they didn’t cater for every scenario and that is challengeable (I was staggered), it can compare apparently to say the energy industry where contracts were signed years ago for a long period and then they are challenged in which every legal scenario and changed to suit, i would guess and it is a guess this is what some are looking at if they are denied promotion. Just to clarify that isnt my argument, one that was put to me yesterday by some one i was on a call with.
Overall its a mess and I see this dragging on for a few weeks yet, would be surprised if the voters happens today if they do not know what they are voting on till the meeting as they wouldn’t have had time to consider it,
Germany being back is now going to be in the spotlight, i think it is said those guys have had 14 or so days training, yet here teams want 4-6 weeks. If it goes well over there the pressure will intensify.
kentblues
Director⭐
It is about being blinded by wishing something else to be so.
Actually the current rules on promotion and relegation actually pass that "all weather test" very well indeed (even if they wish they didn't). By defining that promotion and relegation can only be at the end of the season, and then by defining what end of season means in a way that addresses the current situation i.e. by actually defining it as the last fixture being completed, you can argue the current competition rules very much foresee the season not completing by default.
kentblues
Director⭐
The other interesting thing yesterday is the conflict between politics, the Prem/EFL and science.
The Gov would like the football to start as they see it as a welcome distraction, they think popular and therefore politically helpful.
The Prem/EFL are driven primarily as we already know by £££
Inconveniently a sensible journalst asked the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for an opinion. Unhelpfully he answered. He said at this point training would need to start with appropriate small groups/social distancing at the end of the month, and then be very closely monitored as those rules on training were relaxed. It was too soon to start talking about football matches taking place...
The Gov would like the football to start as they see it as a welcome distraction, they think popular and therefore politically helpful.
The Prem/EFL are driven primarily as we already know by £££
Inconveniently a sensible journalst asked the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for an opinion. Unhelpfully he answered. He said at this point training would need to start with appropriate small groups/social distancing at the end of the month, and then be very closely monitored as those rules on training were relaxed. It was too soon to start talking about football matches taking place...
Somerset Ex-TTB
Members
Depending on what happens to the new case numbers and deaths over the next couple of weeks, we could either be in lockdown again, or realise that the world's economy has been crippled for what is a bad flu season.
Who knows the number of deaths now and in the future being caused by delay in treatments, suicide, cancer, domestic violence, not to mention putting millions of families into poverty.
Who knows the number of deaths now and in the future being caused by delay in treatments, suicide, cancer, domestic violence, not to mention putting millions of families into poverty.
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As expected meeting ended without any outcome
Maldon Shrimper
First XI⭐
No surprise there then
This isn’t the league now it is a mixture of the clubs and the league. Some clubs want to play, some dont and some wont say.
its all got selfish, as expected i would have thought, some say not playing costs us x and playing costs us y and thats less of a loss so therefore better, others say That’s not right its the other way round, fact is none of them know as they do not know what they have to pay back to the TV companies, sponsors etc, all they will know is what there own refunds will be such as season tickets, loss of food / drink sales etc.
WestStandBlue
Guest
Would people actually be annoyed/angry if we got relegated? We deserve to go down we have been sh**e for two years
No not really, think it would be funny if we stayed up especially after what Ron said.
MK Shrimper
Striker
League 2 season finished on a points-per-game basis, but nothing on promotion/relegation. Playoffs still to be player however.
Evening Echo
The News
Wickford Blue
Coach
They keep kicking the candour the road hoping for some miracle that will allow them to finish the season but cannot see that happening - We shall see!1
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