Jay_SUFC
Manager⭐
Yes it will, what? What scenario would Bolton stay up and we get relegated?
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Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season
- Thread starter Zeuss
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Yes it will, what? What scenario would Bolton stay up and we get relegated?
Jay_SUFC
Manager⭐
Norwich are now saying, if the Premier League finish their games and the Championship do not, then they shouldn't be any relegation.
Think the decisions made between the Premier League and Championships will have a bearing on League One and Two, as if they are unable to promote from the Championships, I doubt they will accept any relegation
kentblues
Director⭐
So the latest snippet in the soap opera that is the L1 and L2 season is that the EFL are now suggesting the season will end with promotion AND relegation places decided via playoffs.. no seriously watch this space! Of course this is a new solution to add to the various others that seek to avoid following the competition rules (which the EFL wish were different clearly).
Not clear yet what these playoffs would look like (the cunning plan will be that in exchange for the lifeline of being able to avoid relegation on the pitch will be an undertaking to accept the outcome..)
Not clear yet what these playoffs would look like (the cunning plan will be that in exchange for the lifeline of being able to avoid relegation on the pitch will be an undertaking to accept the outcome..)
Jay_SUFC
Manager⭐
We're on our way to Wembley!! Could work, you would only need 2 games (home and away leg) with one team from each League playing against each other i.e. top of League One plays bottom of League Two.
Chris Powell's mate
First XI⭐
Sorry, didn't make myself clear.
The 'we' I mentioned included Bolton.
Murkey_Mouse
FKA Sudbury_Shrimpers
Image we play against Col Ewes for play off, winner take all, if we win, we stay up, if we lose, cannot bear thinking about it ?
Billy Bests boot laces
President⭐⭐🦐
IF a play-off scenario did occur, on league positions ( 2nd in league 2 v 2nd bottom in league 1), we'd play Swindon.
tallboyblue
First XI ⭐
Jones I think we are in the realms of fantasy now.
Evening Echo
The News
camden shrimper
Youth Team
This conversation is like the worst ever Groundhog Day. Still waking up and it hasn't been resolved even in the slightest.
If clubs are going to sue if they are relegated and clubs are going to sue if they aren't promoted, If clubs are going to sue over the way those clubs moving (PPG vs points vs who had the best kit) is being measured too then there is no escaping litigation. So if every outcome has a legal impact why not just end it now and get the court cases on TV instead, at least it'll give us something to watch...
If clubs are going to sue if they are relegated and clubs are going to sue if they aren't promoted, If clubs are going to sue over the way those clubs moving (PPG vs points vs who had the best kit) is being measured too then there is no escaping litigation. So if every outcome has a legal impact why not just end it now and get the court cases on TV instead, at least it'll give us something to watch...
Tommy2holes
Life President⭐
Seriously though. How much longer can this go on for?
There has to be a resolution to it soon.
It's very unlikely that the season can be finished in anyway, or certainly any safe way.
Even if players come back at the end of the month and tried to start in June. Will the players give their all. Will the players be able to finish before the end of their contracts.
It's farcical to end this current season.
They should just offer clubs a set of options on how to end the season and then go with the majority. That way clubs would have no grounds to activate court proceedings.
There has to be a resolution to it soon.
It's very unlikely that the season can be finished in anyway, or certainly any safe way.
Even if players come back at the end of the month and tried to start in June. Will the players give their all. Will the players be able to finish before the end of their contracts.
It's farcical to end this current season.
They should just offer clubs a set of options on how to end the season and then go with the majority. That way clubs would have no grounds to activate court proceedings.
kentblues
Director⭐
L1 and L2 seasons are obviously not going to finish but I have come to the conclusion it will continue to be death by a thousand cuts irrespective of the damage caused. Next week they may indicate the L1/L2 season is over and even vote on it- but a decision on promotion and relegation may be weeks away..
I get the sense the the EFL believes that the "what happens with promotion and relegation" question is all interlinked between all the PL/EFL divisions. So until its absolutely clear how the Prem will end, and for certain whether there will be relegations there, they will not do anything with the Championship that is not in step/gives Prem excuse to do something they don't want, and they cannot know how to finish L1 and L2 without clarity across the EFL as in theory any attempt to change EFL regulations is across the three EFL divisions.
You would think they would absolutely have to advise clubs on promotion and relegation by mid June as clubs cannot make decisions on contracts not knowing what division they will be in (to expect them to will potentially open a up a new front on the litigation front). More generally without clarity on when next season starts the impact on out of contract players could be devastating. The PFA must be all over this like an old suit (assuming they are awake- they must certainly be "disappointed")
On the subject of whether clubs should be resorting to legal action my view is straightforward. All teams start a season where the competition rules are clear. If the EFL simply then apply those rules then no - clubs should accept the fate based on what they signed up for. Unfortunately the EFL (and extraordinary for the governing body) is not seeking to uphold their own competition rules, but to actively look at numerous ways of retrospectively changing them in a way that advantages some over others. Under these circumstances it is entirely predictable that clubs will challenge legally and they are right to do so. Indeed they are likely in at least some cases to be successful. The EFL legals must know this adding to the panic, dither and delay.
BTW I not every time I try and type Prem autocorrect changes it to Pram....how clever software is these days..
I get the sense the the EFL believes that the "what happens with promotion and relegation" question is all interlinked between all the PL/EFL divisions. So until its absolutely clear how the Prem will end, and for certain whether there will be relegations there, they will not do anything with the Championship that is not in step/gives Prem excuse to do something they don't want, and they cannot know how to finish L1 and L2 without clarity across the EFL as in theory any attempt to change EFL regulations is across the three EFL divisions.
You would think they would absolutely have to advise clubs on promotion and relegation by mid June as clubs cannot make decisions on contracts not knowing what division they will be in (to expect them to will potentially open a up a new front on the litigation front). More generally without clarity on when next season starts the impact on out of contract players could be devastating. The PFA must be all over this like an old suit (assuming they are awake- they must certainly be "disappointed")
On the subject of whether clubs should be resorting to legal action my view is straightforward. All teams start a season where the competition rules are clear. If the EFL simply then apply those rules then no - clubs should accept the fate based on what they signed up for. Unfortunately the EFL (and extraordinary for the governing body) is not seeking to uphold their own competition rules, but to actively look at numerous ways of retrospectively changing them in a way that advantages some over others. Under these circumstances it is entirely predictable that clubs will challenge legally and they are right to do so. Indeed they are likely in at least some cases to be successful. The EFL legals must know this adding to the panic, dither and delay.
BTW I not every time I try and type Prem autocorrect changes it to Pram....how clever software is these days..
It seems (According to the press) that the Championship are waiting on the Prem and the rest the cascades down.
I follow a guy called Alan Nixon on twitter he is a Sun journo (for what that is worth) he seems to think there is still some sway for L1 to finish the season, says there is going to be a vote in each division etc.
I can say from the odd meeting I have been at I certainly do not get the feeling that L1 clubs want to continue the season, the costs just do not make that practical. There isn't a consensus on what to do as in PPG or some other fancy formula, end as is or void the season. The void is still the least popular over all clubs thats for sure something like a 65/35 split in favour of not voiding i think. As ROn said every club will have their own view with their own perspectives rightfully coming first
I follow a guy called Alan Nixon on twitter he is a Sun journo (for what that is worth) he seems to think there is still some sway for L1 to finish the season, says there is going to be a vote in each division etc.
I can say from the odd meeting I have been at I certainly do not get the feeling that L1 clubs want to continue the season, the costs just do not make that practical. There isn't a consensus on what to do as in PPG or some other fancy formula, end as is or void the season. The void is still the least popular over all clubs thats for sure something like a 65/35 split in favour of not voiding i think. As ROn said every club will have their own view with their own perspectives rightfully coming first
kentblues
Director⭐
Seems about right- your additional insight is alway interesting.
Individual divisions making different decisions opens up yet another route for the legals- if L1 finished and L2 didn't replacing a team in L1 who finished the season with one that didn't in L2 is yet another argument- already in Prem clubs like Norwich are saying no way could they be replaced by a club from Championship who didn't complete the season. After all the EFL's own competition rules say you can only be promoted at the end of the season when the last fixture has been completed..
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Spot on.
If what the roses is saying is correct then Norwich and Brighton seem to be very loud all of a sudden, a no to neutral venues but say they want the season completed, not their players are saying ooh we are not sure, we will need a 6 week training camp type thIng. As Jamie Carragher said (i am not even a fan of his) it just like coming back from an injury they have all been on training plans etc its not like pre season where you come back from having a pretty much done minimal and just watched your weight. Just seems like excuses.
If it is delayed till the Prem decided it makes things even harder for the EFL and FA to roll out anything else.
Also seems to me they moan about loss of income, affects lower teams more and will be harder hit the longer the Prem delays, but if they don't wany to play they will need to payback TV revenues, sponsorship revenues so they will be worse off.
Here is a suggestion (and i bet loads of people can find a hole in it) say to the prem teams training restarts 1st July, games restart 1st August and finish 31st August. This means you will play every 3 days (can’t really complain as EFL teams do that most weeks) we will liaise with UEFA and delay the start of next season till begining of October. Re player contracts you can sign anyone during the period to replace someone you are losing. After august there will be a month transfer window until the beginning of October.
It wont happen people and I am sure there are a lot of holes in what i say. The big moan I have is the EFL know clubs are struggling, 3 or 4 are very close to going under, yet the do. Not forward any of the 125 million on, we all know why but they have to put that aside and think what is better for the game right now. That is help these cubs, let the prem decide then we move forward, otherwise next season there is a real risk we will have a lot different set up.
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Chris Powell's mate
First XI⭐
i like that idea. Count me in for a subscription.
Green Wizard
Colchester⭐⭐
All power to the Premiership! They lead and everybody else follows. What a depressing situation for all the rest who can't do a thing until they try to get their season finished and they keep all the money from the broadcasting rights. I shudder to think what the future holds for the rest of the footballing community outside their closed shop.
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