Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[Maldon Shrimper]

I can see that after more dither the EFL will say after much discussion and thought will will curtail the Season for League 1 and 2 but we will ask these clubs to vote on promotion and relegation thus more delay and prevarication keep kicking the can down the road

 

[camden shrimper]

An angle I hadn't previously considered - is this curtailing angle related to the betting companies. I imagine they have more than a vested interest in this but surely there is scope for people claiming back lost bets if the events were deemed not to have happened?

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

An angle I hadn't previously considered - is this curtailing angle related to the betting companies. I imagine they have more than a vested interest in this but surely there is scope for people claiming back lost bets if the events were deemed not to have happened?

One would like to think so, in the same way a horse doesn't run for a legit reason.
As for a 'vote' on relegation or promotion? Can you imagine voting to relegate a fellow club? Talk about potential green shoots of corruption!

 

[Streaky]

One would like to think so, in the same way a horse doesn't run for a legit reason.
As for a 'vote' on relegation or promotion? Can you imagine voting to relegate a fellow club? Talk about potential green shoots of corruption!

If you were a chairman of a mid table club - how do you vote? Do you base it off geography or likelihood of beating the teams coming up or staying up??

 

[Mick]

An angle I hadn't previously considered - is this curtailing angle related to the betting companies. I imagine they have more than a vested interest in this but surely there is scope for people claiming back lost bets if the events were deemed not to have happened?

Of course not. They did happen. Null and void doesn't change the actual matches, they just won't be recorded. Claiming back lost bets makes no more sense than being asked to pay back winnings.
Unconcluded bets e.g league winners etc are another matter.

 

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[Hawkwell Blue]

If you were a chairman of a mid table club - how do you vote? Do you base it off geography or likelihood of beating the teams coming up or staying up??

This was the way they decided if one of the bottom four from the old Division Four were relegated out of the league back in the 60s and 70s. It was called "re-election" and certainly it was a case of looking after your club's own interest when you voted.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

This was the way they decided if one of the bottom four from the old Division Four were relegated out of the league back in the 60s and 70s. It was called "re-election" and certainly it was a case of looking after your club's own interest when you voted.

Actually, something of an old boys club existed.
There was no rhyme nor reason to the re-election process. Hartlepool successfully reapplied a record 14 times.
Barrow's second re-election application saw them booted out and replaced by Hereford. Gateshead, too reapplied just twice, well spaced apart, and were ejected after finishing above two other clubs.
It was totally corrupt.

 

[camden shrimper]

Of course not. They did happen. Null and void doesn't change the actual matches, they just won't be recorded. Claiming back lost bets makes no more sense than being asked to pay back winnings.
Unconcluded bets e.g league winners etc are another matter.

I meant from the angle of season end winning bets, does curtailing differ from voiding, I don't know if there have been any differences in terms

 

[stewart]

Well if it came to clubs in each division voting im sure first thing a chairman would do is look to see what clubs would be promoted or relegated ,if it wasa club chairman from a northern club voting he would vote for a southern club like southend to be relegated,if we was to be replaced by a northern club ab vica versa, could you imagine Bolton being elected to stay up and Southend relegated mmmmmmmmmmm

 

[jarvisyeh]

I'd guess curtailing is bringing the season to an end but keeping the matches, appearances, goals scored etc on record. The matches happened and I think this is preferable to pretending they didn't happen. Doesn't in itself solve any of the pertinent outstanding issues though.

Shame, I've been hoping for a null and void to get that 7-1 home drubbing against Doncaster off the records!

It never happened, I swear!

 

[Jay_SUFC]

Well if it came to clubs in each division voting im sure first thing a chairman would do is look to see what clubs would be promoted or relegated ,if it wasa club chairman from a northern club voting he would vote for a southern club like southend to be relegated,if we was to be replaced by a northern club ab vica versa, could you imagine Bolton being elected to stay up and Southend relegated mmmmmmmmmmm

It won't be a case of voting Bolton to stay up and us to be relegated. The voting will be to void, current positions or PPG. Any decision that confirms relegation, will result in both us and Bolton going down.

 

[kentblues]

It won't be a case of voting Bolton to stay up and us to be relegated. The voting will be to void, current positions or PPG. Any decision that confirms relegation, will result in both us and Bolton going down.

Subject to the outcome of legal claims no doubt given that would be in breach of the competition rules- worth bearing in mind it only takes one relegated club across the EFL to take action and then the outcome of that will apply for all. None of this will be over any time soon regrettably..

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

It won't be a case of voting Bolton to stay up and us to be relegated. The voting will be to void, current positions or PPG. Any decision that confirms relegation, will result in both us and Bolton going down.

Yes, it will.
But it will be a decision shy of 27 potential points, and therefore arbitrary, no matter how many feel we both deserve it.
Therefore, unfair and if another seven clubs - I'm thinking Tranmere, Championship and League Two club(s) think likewise, where is that solicitor's number?

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Stevenage would sue, especially Macclesfield now 3 points above them.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Tranmere would sue, do with them on a run of form, left them just 3 points behind AFC with 9 games to go.

 

[BriggBlue]

I think we would sue too, if the EFL then decide to do something that isn't in accordance with the league rules then why should we or Bolton be punished by not abiding by them?

the can of worms this could open is potentially massive, especially when FFP is brought into the argument

 

[Westcliff DGS]

I said when the leagues were suspended clubs would sue no matter what, got laughed at by some on this board when i mentioned that. Also told then the clubs dont have their heads on right they are putting money before lives, i said i agreed but it will happen as they will put there club before anything else and money talks at the end of the day.

WHile i still think it is wrong to sue, i still stand by that it will happen by clubs who feel agrieved. I know of plenty of clubs that are considering legal action, infact they took advice 4-6 weeks ago to make sure they were covered, One prem club allegedly took advice the day after it was suspended as they saw its as a possible way out of relegation If things went bad

While the rules are written one way some clubs will look and maybe find ways to challenge them Even if it looks like a no win situation, happens everywhere about everything, ludicrous really.

ANyway back to work

 

[Shrimpergonzo]

I said when the leagues were suspended clubs would sue no matter what, got laughed at by some on this board when i mentioned that. Also told then the clubs dont have their heads on right they are putting money before lives, i said i agreed but it will happen as they will put there club before anything else and money talks at the end of the day.

WHile i still think it is wrong to sue, i still stand by that it will happen by clubs who feel agrieved. I know of plenty of clubs that are considering legal action, infact they took advice 4-6 weeks ago to make sure they were covered, One prem club allegedly took advice the day after it was suspended as they saw its as a possible way out of relegation If things went bad

While the rules are written one way some clubs will look and maybe find ways to challenge them Even if it looks like a no win situation, happens everywhere about everything, ludicrous really.

ANyway back to work

I agree with you, whatever happens someone will take legal action to protect their position.

With the widely reported view of the FA that promotion/relegation from the Prem MUST happen this season and their ability to enforce this due to their status as "special shareholder. I am increasingly resigned to the fact that we'll start the next season in League 2.

There are no maths in the world that will save us (unless they say it was all on the last game!)

 

[Westcliff DGS]

I agree with you, whatever happens someone will take legal action to protect their position.

With the widely reported view of the FA that promotion/relegation from the Prem MUST happen this season and their ability to enforce this due to their status as "special shareholder. I am increasingly resigned to the fact that we'll start the next season in League 2.

There are no maths in the world that will save us (unless they say it was all on the last game!)

L2 was coming for us anyway, i know there are 27 points available but in all reality we were unlikely to survive so i had resigned myself to that. This should be seen as a saviour, we should however look at it as a positive in someways and think we now have longer to get things right.