Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[Ricey]

A third Brighton player has tested positive for Coronavirus.

 

[kentblues]

A third Brighton player has tested positive for Coronavirus.

In Germany two in the Dresden team have tested positive but because they are back training the entire squad are now in isolation for two weeks..

Nothing has changed...I can't see an outcome in the Prem where there are relegations (indeed I can't see the season completing- all that will happen if they try is massive negative publicity as infections cause it to fall apart), I can't see a scenario where at least Leeds and WBA don't get promoted (again without legal actions on a biblical scale) and so it follows, as it always has, that there will be an expanded Prem and as a result promotions not relegations down the pyramid. Groundhog day, the original plan and the completion of another circle.

The only alternative to the above is voiding the season with no promotions or relegations. As stated before this is actually what the competition rules say should happen (and so can't be completely ruled out as at some point a judge might read the rulebook).

Of course the first option still requires a means of deciding promotions.

The absurdity of the proposed weighted PPG option is so obvious it is DOA. Oxford get promoted on the weighted option, Wycome on a straight PPG, and even other clubs if you randomly pick another similar alternative (all retrospectively of course). Weighting is given according to whether you are home or away but extraordinarily not to an even bigger predictor of the result i.e. who you are actually playing.

Meanwhile closer to home it predicts Bolton 5 points behind us with a game in hand (which based on form is worth didly squat) would comfortably overhaul us. Oh why oh why can't the bookies offer odds based on such an extraordinary model..

 

[Westcliff DGS]

I have said it before there are and will be no winners in this at all.

some of the statements made in meetings are as funny as they are stupid.

the complacency of some clubs is mind boggling

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

In Germany two in the Dresden team have tested positive but because they are back training the entire squad are now in isolation for two weeks..

Nothing has changed...I can't see an outcome in the Prem where there are relegations (indeed I can't see the season completing- all that will happen if they try is massive negative publicity as infections cause it to fall apart), I can't see a scenario where at least Leeds and WBA don't get promoted (again without legal actions on a biblical scale) and so it follows, as it always has, that there will be an expanded Prem and as a result promotions not relegations down the period. Groundhog day, the original plan and the completion of another circle.

The only alternative to the above is voiding the season with no promotions or relegations. As stated before this is actually what the competition rules say should happen (and so can't be completely ruled out as at some point a judge might read the rulebook).

Of course the first option still requires a means of deciding promotions.

The absurdity of the proposed weighted PPG option is so obvious it is DOA. Oxford get promoted on the weighted option, Wycome on a straight PPG, and even other clubs if you randomly pick another similar alternative (all retrospectively of course). Weighting is given according to whether you are home or away but extraordinarily not to an even bigger predictor of the result i.e. who you are actually playing.

Meanwhile closer to home it predicts Bolton 5 points behind us with a game in hand (which based on form is worth dilly squat) would comfortably overhaul us. Oh why oh why can't the bookies offer odds based on such an extraordinary model..

I don’t see why either Leeds or West Brom deserve to get promoted without completing the season or on what basis they could legally challenge it if they weren’t. They were far from guaranteed - though yes were most likely to go up - and Yorkshire’s finest are historic bottlers.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Best idea that bottom 8 of Championship Vs Top 8 of League One, Bottom 7 of League 1 Vs Top 7 (apart from team who finish top as they take Bury place) in an play off, winner take all. No one will moan & no excuse at all.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I have said it before there are and will be no winners in this at all.

some of the statements made in meetings are as funny as they are stupid.

the complacency of some clubs is mind boggling

In the wider sense, of course not. However, scrapping the entire season, or having no relegation would make one team I can think of, very happy.

 

[kentblues]

I don’t see why either Leeds or West Brom deserve to get promoted without completing the season or on what basis they could legally challenge it if they weren’t. They were far from guaranteed - though yes were most likely to go up - and Yorkshire’s finest are historic bottlers.

I don’t disagree - there should be no promotions or relegations because actually I think that’s what the competition rules say. But they will sue because there are so many millions at stake and they can’t afford not to. What gives them at least a prospect of success is that the rules never specifically foresaw a season not finishing and places having to be decided. An inexplicable oversight in the drafting of the rules..

 

[Boreham Blue]

A third Brighton player has tested positive for Coronavirus.

I'm not sure how compliant to social distancing our players are being. John White seems to be keeping fit by long bike rides which seems very sensible, however if they are current pics on his Instagram, Terrell Egbri doesn’t seem to have seen any advice as he’s busy training with mates.

 

[Green Wizard]

On what legal reasons can any club sue if the season isn't completed? There are many permutations on providing promotion and relegation and all have equal validity but none are in the rules. The only way a satisfactory outcome can happen if all the clubs agree and what's the chance of that?

 

[camden shrimper]

Best idea that bottom 8 of Championship Vs Top 8 of League One, Bottom 7 of League 1 Vs Top 7 (apart from team who finish top as they take Bury place) in an play off, winner take all. No one will moan & no excuse at all.

if you can play that many games then there is an argument to finish the season though

 

[kentblues]

On what legal reasons can any club sue if the season isn't completed? There are many permutations on providing promotion and relegation and all have equal validity but none are in the rules. The only way a satisfactory outcome can happen if all the clubs agree and what's the chance of that?

Agree and no promotions or relegations would seem the safest ground legally- but for some reason the EFL and clubs seem to want to find the hardest most damaging way of getting to the point that, outside their bubble, seems obvious.

 

[kentblues]

Predictably the lawyers are now getting hold of this and the idea somehow there can be promotions and relegations based on some arbitrary retrospective basis not covered by the competition rules.

James Severn, an expert on sports law and partner at Penningtons Manches Cooper, has told Sportsmail: "League One is really interesting with only three points between second and eighth.
"Any club missing out in such a scenario may consider a claim in damages or seek an injunction prohibiting the League from taking a decision to promote or relegate clubs."

Of course they can - because the competition rules say clearly no promotions and relegations until the end of the season which is specifically defined as the completion of the final fixture.

So the EFL’s whole approach must either be on the basis they don’t understand their own rules or they are hoping that clubs will just accept the view of the majority and no EFL club across the three divisions will take this anywhere near a judge..

 

[Evening Echo]

SOUTHEND United chairman Ron Martin shares his views and stressing why he thinks the season should be declared void.

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[Microbe]

"the competition rules say clearly no promotions and relegations until the end of the season which is specifically defined as the completion of the final fixture."
So what about if we all play 1 more game which is the last scheduled game of the season. Problem solved!

If only it was this easy ?

 

[camden shrimper]

Predictably the lawyers are now getting hold of this and the idea somehow there can be promotions and relegations based on some arbitrary retrospective basis not covered by the competition rules.

James Severn, an expert on sports law and partner at Penningtons Manches Cooper, has told Sportsmail: "League One is really interesting with only three points between second and eighth.
"Any club missing out in such a scenario may consider a claim in damages or seek an injunction prohibiting the League from taking a decision to promote or relegate clubs."

Of course they can - because the competition rules say clearly no promotions and relegations until the end of the season which is specifically defined as the completion of the final fixture.

So the EFL’s whole approach must either be on the basis they don’t understand their own rules or they are hoping that clubs will just accept the view of the majority and no EFL club across the three divisions will take this anywhere near a judge..

He will be one of the few people who gets work from all this. Not saying he's wrong mind.

 

[Chrisb]

Agree and no promotions or relegations would seem the safest ground legally- but for some reason the EFL and clubs seem to want to find the hardest most damaging way of getting to the point that, outside their bubble, seems obvious.

You would think that there could be some sort of agreement or legislation to stop the legal challenges - nobody could have foreseen this situation, I really don't get why this is taking them so long to resolve. This is something affecting the whole world and there aren't any winners, why should some football clubs think they are entitled to any special considerations.

 

[camden shrimper]

Was there anything from that that threw any light on football behind closed doors?

 

[kentblues]

You would think that there could be some sort of agreement or legislation to stop the legal challenges - nobody could have foreseen this situation, I really don't get why this is taking them so long to resolve. This is something affecting the whole world and there aren't any winners, why should some football clubs think they are entitled to any special considerations.

The problem is it's those clubs who are seeking some way of forecasting the final league tables to create promotions and relegations that are seeking special considerations. The rules of the competition are clear enough

 

[kentblues]

Was there anything from that that threw any light on football behind closed doors?

There wasn't any light thrown on anything to be fair- just multiple shades of grey.

 

[RHB]

There wasn't any light thrown on anything to be fair- just multiple shades of grey.

Ah, a complete f**k up you mean?